Just now, Noel said:

I don't think stable 60fps is possible for anyone when the most complex planes and airports are involved.  That being said stable 45fps is really quite decent in all aspects, and that's where I'm at most of the time.  FBW and I'm sure Fenix can bring that down to 40fps in spots and fortunately the G-sync display helps there.

Agreed. I would have to turn down settings for a stable 60fps everywhere. I find 45fps sustainable even over cities at Ultra settings.

1 minute ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Agreed. I would have to turn down settings for a stable 60fps everywhere. I find 45fps sustainable even over cities at Ultra settings.

Yep, even taxi and taking off out of EHAM a moment ago which is very demanding I had a grand total of ZERO micro/macro stutters in the B738 and remained locked at 45FPS and 100% smooth.  I'm there, thankfully, with this hardware.  And....2024 may make that even better.  If an OLED screen solved the FG visual artifacts I might consider changing but would aim for an ultra wide version as that is preferred here.  If what I have now was lacking in any meaningful way I'd do it but again, frame rate is close to a non issue for 98% of all flights regardless of how demanding.

 

11 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

If FG doesn't degrade the experience, why not use it?

Exactly. using fluid motion frames Locked at 45 doubled up to 90 provides margin if the base frames drop to the 30's in high intensity areas. The fact that i do not get any observable artifacts or shimmering when fluid motion frames (Framegen) is turned on means that there is no image quality tradeoffs that i have to deal with. The only trade off is some latency which is minuscule in the grand scheme of things when simming and fluid motion frames 2 improved the latency numbers and frame pacing immensely.

One of the reasons i'm considering just upgrading to another AMD card instead of dealing with the native version Nvidia uses. I appreciate the game agnostic way they implemented it.

12 minutes ago, Noel said:

...If an OLED screen solved the FG visual artifacts I might consider changing...

 

Is that a thing?  I thought the artifacts were generated at the GPU, so they would be displayed and any type of screen.

The artifacts with FG do annoy me slightly as well.  I have bought that alternative bit of software from Steam, but I haven't tried it yet.

17 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

Is that a thing?  I thought the artifacts were generated at the GPU, so they would be displayed and any type of screen...

MrBits says he has zero artifacts w/ FG as I've described them and he has the identical system as I have except for screens, so just a possible explanation.  Maybe it's something to do with Freesync which is in his display whereas mine is G-sync.  That said I've tried everything including turning G-sync off to no avail.

Edited October 29, 20241 yr by Noel

The odd thing is that I only ever see these artifacts on the ground, particularly if I glance down to one side on my takeoff run.  I never notice anything in the air at all.  

Edited October 29, 20241 yr by cianpars

1 hour ago, cianpars said:

I never notice anything in the air at all.  

No wonder the air is pretty clear 😉

And beyond that I spend a lot of time on the ground with long taxi, panning my view, etc.  And it's absolutely, positively, awful! 

Edited October 29, 20241 yr by Noel

6 hours ago, Noel said:

I don't think stable 60fps is possible for anyone when the most complex planes and airports are involved.  That being said stable 45fps is really quite decent in all aspects, and that's where I'm at most of the time.  FBW and I'm sure Fenix can bring that down to 40fps in spots and fortunately the G-sync display helps there.

At large payware hubs with FSHud I barely get 30fps, often lower. That's with TLODs as low as 25. 

EDIT: That's without FG. But as the 1% lows are very bad, I get stutters with FG as well. Frame time consistency is also very bad in these situations. My point: FG probably helps, but doesn't eliminate stutters in these type of situations. 

Example: EDDF Fenix ILS approach w/ FSHud (with FG). Avg non-FG FPS 31, 1% low non-FG FPS 13.

Edited October 29, 20241 yr by Cpt_Piett

Correct. But to me, stutters around 60FPS or more are still less annoying than stutters at FPS around or below 30FPS. 

On 10/29/2024 at 2:30 AM, Noel said:

There are lots of replies concurring with the OP's reported issues.  I have to assume it must be your OLED screen that gets rid of the heinous strobing I get that is so distracting can't possibly tolerate it.  One person said they just ignore what that is for them which is one approach but alas, with rate of 45 and ultra smooth it's pretty much good enough.  I would love to try an OLED screen to see if this minimizes this issue.  Interesting one person said NV recommended only using FG when the native rate is at least 60.

I remember you mentioning a strobing effect on runways a while back - I saw it as well on my older PC on the Samsung Odyssey G7. I just tried the Samsung G7 on my new PC, but no strobing seen at all! No strobing when panning or when looking at runways/taxiways.

Very odd as our PC specs are so close!  

7 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I remember you mentioning a strobing effect on runways a while back - I saw it as well on my older PC on the Samsung Odyssey G7. I just tried the Samsung G7 on my new PC, but no strobing seen at all! No strobing when panning or when looking at runways/taxiways.

Very odd as our PC specs are so close!  

Weird, with no cogent explanation.  I don't see strobing on runways per say, it's really just looking out a side window to the taxiway the plane is on, often not even in front of me.  I have tried to video capture this but for some reason captures obscure the effect so unable to show anyone what I actually see.  I've even tried iPhone video but something about that capture obscures what is seen live. 

I posted the link to an MSFS forum thread of others who clearly see this big time also and when I saw that thread I began to conclude my initial suspicion that something might be wrong w/ the 4090 FE I installed wasn't valid.   Don't know what to make of it and very fortunately it hardly matters.  I have exquisite image quality and stutters are rare now so I'm there w/o FG thankfully.  

Your report spares me the effort to try out an OLED screen which now no longer explains the difference since your G7 didn't do this either.  Thanks!

ADDENDUM:  just TO from RJTT which had low visibility of maybe 2km.  This of course is ultra low contrast so turned FG on at a rate of 80 and it looked great, no significant strobe type artifact.  So taxied to RWY22 and panning was more what I would call 'fluid'.  That being said, that fluidity is not what I see when I turn my view side to side in the RW.  That has very sudden stop points when panning my vision.  So in some way 45 native is more accurate a representation of how panning vision is for me in the RW then a rate of 80+ is. That being said by the time I got to the runway vis had cleared enough and the surface was more of a high contrast surface with course bright and dark texture and that seems to be what accentuates the strobing effect.  The benefit though comes when you run closer to 60 w/ FG on so you only need to maintain 30 native and that def helps cope with the most demanding conditions so hopefully some day DLSS FG will somehow change this.

Edited November 2, 20241 yr by Noel

3 hours ago, Noel said:

The benefit though comes when you run closer to 60 w/ FG on so you only need to maintain 30 native and that def helps cope with the most demanding conditions so hopefully some day DLSS FG will somehow change this.

Yeah I try to aim for minimum 60 fps. I think I’ve also read somewhere the nvidia recommendation of 60+ base fps. Obviously that’s not always possible to achieve, so there’s that. But with a base of 30+ I really don’t notice much in terms of artifacts.

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Edited November 2, 20241 yr by Noel