Just now, sonny147 said:

lol , not even released and we already complaining 😁

It could be worse, here in Oz it's 9:30am so at work and while I'm meant to be manufacturing products, I'm too busy reading all the sim sites...😁

3 minutes ago, sonny147 said:

lol , not even released and we already complaining 😁

Exactly.  Can't believe this arguing over live traffic when no one is flying in the new sim yet.

Just wait until it comes out, go for a fly and then let Asobo know what bugs/issues you come across.

Jase

4 hours ago, antic81 said:

I suspect that will come across to 2024 at some point after release.

if you haven't seen the announcement already they said it will work day 1.

  

15 minutes ago, MassiveSim32 said:

Exactly.  Can't believe this arguing over live traffic when no one is flying in the new sim yet.

The conversation that last page at least was about 2020 not 2024.

Edited November 18, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

How are you guys able to entertain yourselves with 5 pages of conspiracy theories, and nobody has brought up JFK?

Or Bigfoot? Watergate?

16 minutes ago, mspencer said:

How are you guys able to entertain yourselves with 5 pages of conspiracy theories, and nobody has brought up JFK?

Or Bigfoot? Watergate?

Or………the……..Illuminati. I think they might have something to do with the the Ai traffic going haywire 👀

1 hour ago, Krakin said:

Just stop. MSFS does indeed have live traffic. You can hear ATC calling out the actual airlines and flight numbers. Just because it isn't functioning perfectly does not take away from the fact that it is live.

In these times it is fashionable that everything that is to say different from the majority is a conspiracy theory. Certainly, some of us see the facts and things have a name and a definition. The air traffic of msfs2020 is not real. It doesn't simulate reality. He does it vaguely. And that's not conspiring, it's saying what there is. Don't get angry, that airplanes and trees and clouds look quite like reality.... But not the traffic. 
merry Christmas 🎁 

14 hours ago, Simselli said:

And how do you know  that lol. There was nothing ready for 2020 when it launched. I was there day 1. The release will have issues, without doubt, all do!

Because if you remember day 1 of 2020 you know that the AI traffic was a complete disaster and it took multiple updates before it even became a part of the sim.  Just saying that I fully expect the same with 2024.  How many users do you think use FSLTL and now can’t beginning tomorrow for however long it takes?  

1 minute ago, jspilot said:

Because if you remember day 1 of 2020 you know that the AI traffic was a complete disaster and it took multiple updates before it even became a part of the sim.  Just saying that I fully expect the same with 2024.  How many users do you think use FSLTL and now can’t beginning tomorrow for however long it takes?  

Stay with 2020 then, until FSTL is upgraded. 

Funny that people got their undies in a bunch because the OP completely mistitled this thread making it sound like all the "Live AI planes" are "a mess" in MSFS 2024, while it's simply FSLTL. 

And anyone who expected FSLTL to work from day 1 was delusional. These mad geniuses hacked the sim good to make it work as it does. No way all these hacks worked fine out of the box.

20 minutes ago, jspilot said:

Because if you remember day 1 of 2020 you know that the AI traffic was a complete disaster and it took multiple updates before it even became a part of the sim.  Just saying that I fully expect the same with 2024.  How many users do you think use FSLTL and now can’t beginning tomorrow for however long it takes?  

This is a full-fledged, complete lie. Traffic in 2020 worked fine from day 1. 

Now I understand why silly threads like this continue for 5 pages, with people engaging in full-fledged historical revisionism. At this point, I'm starting to wonder if you guys were even there when MSFS launched or if you were sitting on some other simulator completely ignoring the situation. 

Edited November 19, 20241 yr by Abriael

22 minutes ago, Simselli said:

Stay with 2020 then, until FSTL is upgraded. 

Yeah I have no intentions of switching to 2024 for a real long time.  2020 is running amazing right now for me and is literally all the sim I could want/ask for.  I also am very much mindful of how bad 2020 was for a long time after it was released.  Like I stopped flight simming it was so bad/frustrating.  I’ll happily stick with a sim I know and love until the vast majority of 2024 users are reporting successful usage.

Thats just me though- I hope it works way better than what I’m expecting!

Just now, jspilot said:

I also am very much mindful of how bad 2020 was for a long time after it was released.  Like I stopped flight simming it was so bad/frustrating.

The historical revisionism continues. 😂

23 minutes ago, Abriael said:

Funny that people got their undies in a bunch because the OP completely mistitled this thread making it sound like all the "Live AI planes" are "a mess" in MSFS 2024, while it's simply FSLTL. 

And anyone who expected FSLTL to work from day 1 was delusional. These mad geniuses hacked the sim good to make it work as it does. No way all these hacks worked fine out of the box.

This is a full-fledged, complete lie. Traffic in 2020 worked fine from day 1. 

Now I understand why silly threads like this continue for 5 pages, with people engaging in full-fledged historical revisionism. At this point, I'm starting to wonder if you guys were even there when MSFS launched or if you were sitting on some other simulator completely ignoring the situation. 

It’s not a lie at all.  For the first several months of 2020 you would start at an airport and the AI traffic would not even begin moving or doing anything until you were essentially at the runway and they never followed real world schedules.  I mean other planes were in the environment but that’s not the level of FSLTL or anywhere near it.

2 minutes ago, Abriael said:

The historical revisionism continues. 😂

Dude enjoy 2024- it’s cool- I don’t have to agree but lay off the complete “revisionist history” nonsense.  My experience was what it was and yours might have been different but you don’t get to define what is true and what’s not.  
 

I hope 2024 works well for those wanting to switch right away- not rooting against the game but just saying that with many of the staple addons not working from the start it’s not going to be the level that 2020 is at right now.  Maybe in a little while when all these add ons work but that’s going to take time.

4 minutes ago, jspilot said:

It’s not a lie at all.  For the first several months of 2020 you would start at an airport and the AI traffic would not even begin moving or doing anything until you were essentially at the runway and they never followed real world schedules.  I mean other planes were in the environment but that’s not the level of FSLTL or anywhere near it.

This is literally false. I'm not sure which drawer did you put that memory out of, assuming that you aren't lying through your teeth. Default AI was not perfect as it had the horrible Frankenstein planes and a relatively small percentage of flights did not appear due to the lack of data from Flightaware, but the feature as it was worked as intended out of the box. 

Just now, jspilot said:

Dude enjoy 2024- it’s cool- I don’t have to agree but lay off the complete “revisionist history” nonsense.  My experience was what it was and yours might have been different but you don’t get to define what is true and what’s not.  

The simple truth is that MSFS 2020 was literally the new simulator that was most polished and fully featured out of the box of the history of the genre. The only way someone may think otherwise is if they had never been there at the launch of a flight simulator before.

Like, it's not even close and I'm baffled when I see people replacing reality with some sort of dystopia that never happened.  

This message is in regard of FSTL injection in 2024. The context of "mess" only apply for FSTL alone at the current time. Why those five pages materialized is beyond my understanding! LOL