BATC is making some nice steps with their traffic, I suspect that will come across to 2024 at some point after release. Happy to wait. I think there is a very simple solution for those unsure, firstly never pre-order anything. Secondly why not wait a few days and watch a few actual reviews before purchasing? No need to stress! 
 

I trust that they will get it into a good place if it has any issues! These days software releases are quite different to 20 years ago and it’s understandable, 20 years ago the product had to be in a good state as patches weren’t a thing. You had to wait for the pc pilot disc to come out to get any updates! Ok maybe that was actually 25 years ago! Haha!

And also the software in those days was a lot less complex than today. Think back to FS2004 then compare that to MSFS 2024.

 

2 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

We’ve had live traffic since launch. So you’re just outright wrong.

Also AIG’s traffic isn’t live, they use offline flight plans. However FSLTL,PSX and even the default live traffic will use their models and liveries if you have them installed 

Thats why you can gladly find a 380 parked on GCHI or LPMA. Or a plane going around five times. 
we had traffic, yes…. But it was not live. 
😏

1 hour ago, Happytfe said:

Thats why you can gladly find a 380 parked on GCHI or LPMA. Or a plane going around five times. 
we had traffic, yes…. But it was not live. 
😏

It is live traffic, 2020 is using live flights taken from FlightAware, they're controlled by the sim's AI engine. Asobo never promised accurate aircraft models or liveries to go with them.

If you turn on traffic nameplates and plop the flight numbers you see on them into flightaware, you'll find that flight.

2024 however will have real aircraft models and liveries. Not all of them, as licensing liveries and aircraft models from their owners is time consuming, might cost money, and some of them may say no.

 

They used to be even more live, before Sim Update idk 10? I can't remember which one. Aircraft that spawn already in the air were moved using Flightaware's tracking, with the AI engine only taking over on descent. However in that sim update Asobo moved to using generated flightplans based on Flightaware's data.

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29 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

Asobo never promised accurate aircraft models or liveries to go with them.

 

Asobo can be happy about such customers. Sure they never promised accurate models or liveries, but come on. Some things are just common sense, and regarding live traffic this means accurate models and liveries. It was just a purposedly wrong advertisment, they knew EXACTLY that everybody thinks that live traffic means accurate models and liveries and then they provided the uttermost rubbish with A330 lookalikes serving A320 and 737 flights. In a sim where visual fidelity and accuracy was and is a hallmark of the whole sim. Ridiculous to defend this shortcoming by pure semantics, sorry to say.

9 minutes ago, AnkH said:

Some things are just common sense, and regarding live traffic this means accurate models and liveries

Maybe to you. But none of 2020's footage showed real aircraft or liveries, and Asobo never said they would be there, so I never expected them

Whenever pre-release footage showed AI aircraft they were always generic models the sim came with.

  

9 minutes ago, AnkH said:

Ridiculous to defend this shortcoming by pure semantics, sorry to say.

It's not semantics. Jorg has talked about trying to get the licenses for liveries in Dev Q&As before.

It is not easy, companies have said no, some don't understand what Microsoft is asking, or they're busy and it takes months or even a year for them to call Microsoft back.

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1 hour ago, Tuskin38 said:

It is live traffic, 2020 is using live flights taken from FlightAware, they're controlled by the sim's AI engine. Asobo never promised accurate aircraft models or liveries to go with them.

If you turn on traffic nameplates and plop the flight numbers you see on them into flightaware, you'll find that flight.

2024 however will have real aircraft models and liveries. Not all of them, as licensing liveries and aircraft models from their owners is time consuming, might cost money, and some of them may say no.

 

They used to be even more live, before Sim Update idk 10? I can't remember which one. Aircraft that spawn already in the air were moved using Flightaware's tracking, with the AI engine only taking over on descent. However in that sim update Asobo moved to using generated flightplans based on Flightaware's data.

Its not real live traffic. 
I don't understand what can be the interest by which you try to defend the air traffic of msfs, since we both know that it's word not allowed. If I promise you apples and when I sell them to you I give you pears: they are not apples.

Easy. 
FSLTL has done the job of asobo for free. 

4 minutes ago, Happytfe said:

Its not real live traffic. 

It most certainly is. All the aircraft that spawn are doing real flights taken from Flight Aware.

  

4 minutes ago, Happytfe said:

by which you try to defend the air traffic of msfs

Because I don't like people spreading false information.

I don't even use the default Live Traffic in regular flights anymore, I only turn it on when testing model/livery matching.

So if Asobo outright removed it I wouldn't even care.

Edited November 18, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

3 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

Because I don't like people spreading false information.

The same happens to me. People must know the true.😊

 

4 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

I don't even use the default Live Traffic anymore, not since FSLTL and later BeyondATC added traffic injection. 

That shows that even you don't like asobo air traffic.

1 minute ago, Happytfe said:

The same happens to me. People must know the true.😊

Then why do you keep spreading false information about Asobo's Live Traffic?

1 minute ago, Happytfe said:

That shows that even you don't like asobo air traffic.

Only because it doesn't interact with BeyondATC. If Beyond ATC didn't exist I'd keep using it.

Edited November 18, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

5 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

Then why do you keep spreading false information about Asobo's Live Traffic?

Actually, you are giving the false information.
That's why I needed to write down the facts. To show the true.

Dear readers who have not even bought msfs yet: this product is very beautiful but has never offered real air traffic, something that in its advertising advertises for us to spend our money.🌞

 

You keep MSFS2020 and download MSFS2024.  If you find MSFS2024 causes you so much angst and grief you can't use it, you switch back to MSFS2020 and wait until patches for MS2024 come out...it's not really such a problem and with MSFS2024 needing less hard drive space both usually will happily sit together.

Many have forgotten what dramas we had with FSX when it was released as my hardware couldn't even run it without slideshow issues near landing. and even P3D with OOM errors...

I'd rather buggy AI than unplayable sim altogether. And I haven't looked at one tweak for MSFS2020 ever....I actually spent more time flying so it would be staggering if MSFS2024 was such a mess after 4 years of a very dedicated teams at MS/Asobo and third party devs linked in more than ever before.

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11 minutes ago, Happytfe said:

Actually, you are giving the false information.
That's why I needed to write down the facts. To show the true.

Dear readers who have not even bought msfs yet: this product is very beautiful but has never offered real air traffic, something that in its advertising advertises for us to spend our money.🌞

 

Just stop. MSFS does indeed have live traffic. You can hear ATC calling out the actual airlines and flight numbers. Just because it isn't functioning perfectly does not take away from the fact that it is live.

13 minutes ago, Happytfe said:

Actually, you are giving the false information.
That's why I needed to write down the facts. To show the true.

Dear readers who have not even bought msfs yet: this product is very beautiful but has never offered real air traffic, something that in its advertising advertises for us to spend our money.🌞

 

Real air traffic has been there from day 1, it may not be 100% but it is streamed in.

GA is another story though 🤔

Airliner traffic is live and always has been. 
 

Models never covered all real world planes, liveries never really made it, except for KLM and Spirit. That’s why you needed AIG or FSLTL (models). 
 

in 2024, both issues should be significantly improved. 

lol , not even released and we already complaining 😁