8 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

Again, the reason is that the MSFS navdata format is inappropriate for any kind of study level simulation.

Is there a source? I don't recall seeing this officially announced. Did PMDG say this?

There will still be multiple reasons to keep Navigraph if you have the need for certain thinks like better chart coverage for smaller airports that LIDO does not have.  Also at least for USA flyers Navigraph has VFR FAA Sectional charts which are to be used for VFR flying.  If realism is what you’re looking for in USA VFR then that’s a reason in itself right there.  MSFS2024 will not have the FAA charts most likely ever.  I thought about switching to the in sim charts but for these reasons I likely will not be.  If you’re just flying IFR airliners all the time out of major airports then the in sim charts are probably fine for you and I could easily see canceling in that case.  I enjoy too many types of flying for that to be the case for me.

3 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

MSFS navdata format is inappropriate for any kind of study level simulation.

OK, you win! (if that’s what you want to hear.)

“A fool and their money are soon parted.”

You do you…

Time will tell - change is hard for some - but it’s inevitable.

Meanwhile, I will enjoy what is here included in the price to play.

You’re only making an assumption that the way it works now will be the only way it will work, anyway.

I get it, change is hard. 😁

13 minutes ago, Los said:

On day 5 from launch…

…vs a mature product of many years.

A prudent person does not let perfect get in the way of the good!

You seem very invested in getting us to unsubscribe from Navigraph. Did they run over your dog or something?

A prudent person notices that it's been 4 years and taxiway lights and signage are still broken in 2020, not to mention countless other frustrations that should have been fixed by now, and then remembers Navigraph already makes an excellent product that's far superior to what 2024 offers and sees no reason to stop spending a trivial amount of money to get a superior experience. 

That said, you do you and I'll keep flying with the superior tools. 😉

2 minutes ago, thetford569 said:

Navigraph if you have the need for certain thinks like better chart coverage for smaller airports that LIDO does not have.

I just flew from untowered KVDF to small regional airport KGNV and charts were there. 
 

Unless, you fly in Central Florida you likely wouldn’t recognize Tampa Executive or Gainesville Regional, so if there are no charts in Lido for the airport - it may very well not have any published procedures.

1 minute ago, eslader said:

You seem very invested in getting us to unsubscribe from Navigraph. Did they run over your dog or something?

For sure, I own stock in Lufthansa…🥰

You’re equally invested in that people subscribe to Navigraph.

All I am advocating for is that Lido is more than good enough and included.

You want to pay more - go for it knock yourself out.

3 minutes ago, eslader said:

Did they run over your dog or something?

Yes, I miss Ole Yeller…🥲

30 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

Again, the reason is that the MSFS navdata format is inappropriate for any kind of study level simulation

Says who?

Edited November 23, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

10 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

Says who?

For example Aamir from Fenix ("the MSFS navdata is in a significantly different format and does actually come with it's own limitations to a certain degree.") or Lucky38 from FBW ("And the msfs navdata is not exposing some things like information needed for RNP approaches").

Also @JonathanC since he asked

Edited November 23, 20241 yr by Fiorentoni

6 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

or Lucky38 from FBW ("And the msfs navdata is not exposing some things like information needed for RNP approaches").

But the ini A320Neo can do RNP approaches. How could it do them if the info is missing?

Edited November 23, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

Enough with the personal attacks, folks! Criticize the topic, not the poster, or this gets locked.

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

There is no point in paying for a Navigraph subscription in 2024. 

oh yes there is.

38 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

But the ini A320Neo can do RNP approaches. How could it do them if the info is missing?

I'd say iniBuilds is just not doing them correctly (i.e. with less / wrong navigational performance). But you need to ask one of those devs if you want a definitive answer

17 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

I'd say iniBuilds is just not doing them correctly (i.e. with less / wrong navigational performance). But you need to ask one of those devs if you want a definitive answer

well people that have done the approaches are doing them fine.

1 hour ago, Tuskin38 said:

But the ini A320Neo can do RNP approaches.

Can it? So you can actually enter the Channel Frequency and fly the real RNP with all the right annunciations on the PFD? 

Something you can't do in the Fenix, for example?

21 hours ago, jarmstro said:

There is no point in paying for a Navigraph subscription in 2024. 

Really depends on what you are after - There is a difference between Lido Charts and Jeppesen charts. Not to mention most third party addon aircraft uses navigraph database. Some asked the other day on discord with one of addon developers (can't remember which one) to see whether they would use default 2024 database, They said no plans to change to default database. PMDG uses no other then navigraph.