3 hours ago, Noel said:

lWhen you're developing a digital twin earth and a flight sim within it there really are essentially unlimited areas of potential focus on where to allocate budgeting resources and using a wish list makes massive sense.   

Then sell it like that. I bought a sim with 125 aircraft and many of them are unusable. Of course the task of the digital twin is huge, but the product is sold in the end as Flight Simulator, not as Digital Twin. So focus must be on the flight simulator aspects, no? 

7 hours ago, AnkH said:

So focus must be on the flight simulator aspects, no? 

It will take some time to grapple w/ server issues and how in the current architecture that may be playing a role in the many random oddities currently being manifested that I read about here.   I think it's possible there are streaming dependencies that come into play that can manifest as a broken whatever, something that you might not attribute to streaming per se.  My guess is that without the massive streaming demand, that is to say during testing when massive streaming demand wasn't there, the sim did exactly what it was supposed to do giving them a false sense of how it would do at launch.   Just a guess but seems plausible. 

In the grand scheme it's unfortunate, and my guess is MS/A feel far worse about it than do you or I.   I have full confidence they will bring the sim up to where it was supposed to be and my wild guess is it will take 2-3 months.  Already many are having a lot of success.  And while apparently still can't use most planes you paid for you will hopefully sooner than later of course, but in the end should have an incredible environment to fly in.  I'll get me toes wet sometime around New Years and til then continuing enjoy 2020.

4 hours ago, Noel said:

My guess is that without the massive streaming demand, that is to say during testing when massive streaming demand wasn't there, the sim did exactly what it was supposed to do giving them a false sense of how it would do at launch.   Just a guess but seems plausible. 

I doubt. At least not for what bothers me most: unusable ac. The Carenado planes e.g. are simply unfinished or not ported over correctly. This is 100% due to a premature release. Nevertheless they sold me the product WITH those planes and this drives me nuts. Could have been straight and delay those to the first patch or whatever...

Totally agree that they will get those things sorted. But that doesnt change the FACT that this was a miserable release and in the end, this is what the FSElite article is about, no? They cant do a mini review and then just talking about what eventually WILL be in some months, they have to review the status the software has at the moment of testing.

On 12/2/2024 at 8:47 AM, Drumcode said:

Everything I feel (and I'm sure everyone else) about this release nicely captured in this article. I hope Jorg read it and the rest of his team. Not a love story, that is for sure.

https://fselite.net/content/first-look-microsoft-flight-simulator-2024/

Had this been my review, I would have been less forgiving, and that's saying a lot, as this is definitely not a love letter per se. He is spot on for most of this review.

7 hours ago, AnkH said:

Nevertheless they sold me the product WITH those planes and this drives me nuts.

If you're being driven nuts over this I feel for you.  I've adjusted to the reality of the poor release, it's not going to impact my life at all, certainly will not let that reality drive me nuts.  If they pulled the plug on 2020 I'd be miffed as well, but that's not happened.   I guess in order to keep you from being driven nuts they needed to wait for a few months or whatever is needed to get the sim fully functional within what it was supposed to do.  But then many others wouldn't be able to start playing in the sandbox that it is.   Good luck.

Of course I am slightly exagerating here from time to time. It is not ruining my life 😉 

On 12/3/2024 at 8:32 PM, AnkH said:

The funny thing is that you came here with the statement that the sim is not broken and then you write a long post basically just confirming that it is, but that we should not make a story out of it. Even more, you give an example above that PERFECTLY illustrates why we should NOT accept this just because it is possible to do some nice flights. In your house example, the state of MSFS would mean: some water taps not working, no hot water, some rooms inaccessible, roof leaking. Can you move into such a house? Of course you can, but you would put a lot of effort into making the responsibles fix those things. And I guess you would not pay certain plmbers, electricians etc. UNTIL everything is properly done. So yes, a very good example, but you draw the wrong parallels...

What makes me angry in this whole discussion is the more we accept things in its current state, the less they will do about. It was like this the last four years, some things only got fixed if enough people complained and it ended up on the bug list with enough votes. Sitting still and hoping that things will work out «on its own» never worked. Not in the sim nor in your wonderful house example. You have to complain to get things fixed, whether you like it or not. 

And yes, MSFS2024 was released by a multi-billion company prematurely. And they should at least feel that a little bit, even if it is just by bad publicity like the mini review from FSElite. If not, they are basically confirmed in their current approach of releasing unfinished stuff. I mean, lets face the facts: those Carenado planes for example are not even properly migrated to MSFS2024, due to a too short project timeline. You do not use them anyway? Fine, but not using them does not make the fact better that they are bugged to useless.

Nah, the only funny thing is how you keep moving goalposts.

YOU are the one calling the sim "utter rubbish" and "below ridiculousness [sic]" when it is - demonstrably - NEITHER.

No flight sim I've ever flown has been trouble free OR FINISHED on launch day. Not.one.single.launch.

And here you are calling The Single Most Advanced And Complex flight sim of all time "rubbish" because you can't fly a single Default GA aircraft and your precious jetways don't work?

If I cared enough to look, I'm sure you were saying the same thing about v2020, because it wasn't any better.

And as I've said in other posts, I could go on and on and on listing the v1.0 problems that have come along with each and every flight sim and flight sim addon.

You ignore all that because you're throwing a temper tantrum over a few non-blocking issues that millions of other people seem to be just fine going around.

If there's millions of people having fun with a product that you consider to be utter rubbish, maybe consider whether it's the product that's the problem, or your attitude.

 

So your main argument is now that because of millions having fun with the sim, it cant be that it was released in a miserable state? Ok, enough said...

And the «whataboutism» in the rest of your post is almost funny, thanks for this one.

 

 

31 minutes ago, AnkH said:

 

So your main argument is now that because of millions having fun with the sim, it cant be that it was released in a miserable state? Ok, enough said...

And the «whataboutism» in the rest of your post is almost funny, thanks for this one.

My "argument" hasn't changed: you can't see the forest for the trees.

Justifying your purist, unattainable standards with puerile complaints does not make your case of "utter rubbish" and "miserable state" any stronger.

You want to go on and on about some mud at the bottom of your wine glass? Go right ahead.

I'm just gonna get another pour - can't wait!