On 12/2/2024 at 5:34 PM, vin747 said:

Just watched a stream from A330driver where he landed at an airport stored locally on his machine and still saw horrible blurries and heavy stutters.. So maybe there is something beyond streaming of assets that is the culprit here.. Very disturbing.. 

 

just catching up with this thread so sorry if this has already been answered. Yes there is something more going on here, as I've seen blurry runways at Pilot plus EGGD - which is stored locally. 

I'll carry on reading now. 

9 hours ago, Juliett Alfa Romeo said:

What were the problems with each release of Prepar3D? as far as I can remember, it was just waiting for the compatibility of some addons...

I don't remember any P3D release having a DISASTER like the one we're seeing with ‘2024’.

Man, you gotta SHORT memory!

Speaking of memory, dontcha remember all the VRAM crashes and other fun stuff?

VR was a complete disaster...

The sim is virtually unusable with Default aircraft because they suck so bad, so waiting MONTHS for upgrades that still didn't work right made the utility of the new version questionable at best

Oh, and if you're a MilViz customer, fugggedaboutit....

All the constant tweaking of addons that weren't compatible, etc.

I hate to break it to you, but THERE IS NO DISASTER WITH V2024.

I'm managing at least a short flight EVERY SINGLE DAY, with no issues from start to finish.

I don't have fiber internet, and my gaming rig is six years old.

4 hours ago, AnkH said:

Well, please a video of proof from you doing a cold & dark flight from any airport to another using: 

- the default C172 with classic cockpit

- the F/A-18

- the S340 using a proper flightplan

- the C404 and doing an ILS approach

Just to name some. Or show in any of these flights proper ATC integration and AI traffic and jetway action. 

You are simply confusing the term «working» with anything we get. Of course is it working. If you remove the steering wheel from a car, it still «works», but you would agree it is utterly useless.

No thanks, don't need to "prove" anything to any of you with a video.

If you need video proof, there are SCADS of them already on YouTube by guys who enjoy producing that stuff for others. Maybe you should check them out?

Never said there weren't any problems with the sim, DID I?

What I'm doing to make my time enjoyable is using the functionality that does work - which, for me, is a LOT.

And I find it incredibly ironic that folks are bent out of shape over Carenado technical issues!

And the F/A-18 was always a word not allowed addon (sorry, not sorry: once you've flown the DCS Hornet, or the VRS SuperBug, there's simply no substitute). I mean, we're talking about a DC Designs addon - am I right, or what?

I couldn't give a word not allowed about ATC - it never works right in the first place (hence the ever burgeoning market for 3PD addons), and the same thing for AI traffic.

And jetways - really? that's a game-breaking bug for you? 

This is all just wailing and gnashing of teeth over a little spilt milk - if you're THIS intolerant of bugs, you need to discipline yourself to resist any new game release.

Sheeesh, you guys!!!!

5 hours ago, EGLD said:

case closed! 😄

Hey, sorry you're having issues, but I'm not, nor are MANY others - just check out the youtubes and then multiply by 10,000 or so for all the people who DON'T make videos.

I've got six year old gaming rig and relatively crappy internet.

If you can't keep up with that, IDK what to tell you 🤣

1 hour ago, EGLD said:

the "continual angst" is just the same argument going around and around in circles, it's not continual anger at the software

I'm remarkably non-plussed about the situation, but will always criticise a company for releasing something which is clearly not fit for purpose

The "going around and around in circles" is ironically and absolutely correct, for all the the continual ranting and raving at MS/Asobo.. but hey, keep doing it if it makes one feel better, even after refunding said source of anger 🤷‍♂️
 

1 hour ago, EGLD said:

but I'm afraid it's impossible for me not to rise to posts saying the sim is not broken 😄

Except, no one said the sim is not broken/flawed/buggy, at least not in the way some make it seem to be.. one doesn't have to be a genius to realize the quality at release. It's also true that everything is not so dire for many, who're enjoying the sim's advancements and features, and are able to do free flights etc without breaking issues.
 

1 hour ago, EGLD said:

this is a discussion forum and we are discussing the FS Elite article 👍

Indeed it is, thanks for the heads up!.. we'll continue to discuss the article, and opinionate, and then opinionate on those opinions, etc. 
 

Edited December 3, 20241 yr by lwt1971

8 hours ago, Juliett Alfa Romeo said:

OK, v5 had SOME problems, but nothing comparable to ‘this’ 🙄

PS: and even so, I don't forgive LM's lack of support to solve the problems that still affect v5. But that's a subject for another thread and I now use another platform...

v5 was literally unplayable for many people - with a constant stream of CTDs and settings tweaking, hoping that maybe, just maybe, you hit the lottery on the NEXT graphics change to keep you under the "limit", even if you did manage to get your otherwise unchanged addons to function.

Here, there are many minor issues with addons, and the completely foreseeable launch week issues.

I mean, we've got guys around here who are SERIOUSLY blaming the game for an issue with their MOUSE! C'mon, men!!!! 🤣

47 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

I mean, we've got guys around here who are SERIOUSLY blaming the game for an issue with their MOUSE! C'mon, men!!!! 🤣

Is this a joke?

6 minutes ago, The Flight Level said:

Is this a joke?

No, sir!

I forget which topic, but it's there from just a day or two ago.

2 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Sheeesh, you guys!!!!

Lets turn this once around, do you still like it: I for my side cant understand how people can accept such things and argue about the things that work and because this, you are fine with this sim in its current state. But then I see how a dumbass gets more than 50% of votes and I see how the uttermost rubbish can be sold to millions of people and I understand that most peoples standard are below ridiculousness. Brave new world where quality is a word people know only from history textbooks. Fine if you are happy with this word not allowed, but do NOT lecture me about why I should be happy with such a state it is. If word not allowed is ok for you, fine, it is not for me.

And talking about YT videos: yes, there you find all the videos showing what all in this sim doesnt work or is terribly bugged. Hundreds of them. Even YT streamers using 3rd person views facepalm several times if they try one or the other totally bugged plane. 

 

Only Jorg and co will know what this release has done to their reputation and sales figures, when you consider the casual gamer they are trying to pull in then I suspect there is some damage there.

What percentage of gamepass users uninstalled this after being unable to launch it - how many of those are playing Stalker 2 now instead?

then you have a day 1 review from a well respected YT influencer with over 4 million followers - he didn’t paint a very good picture either.

the future and longevity of this is all about Xbox and gamepass users, it’s not about simmers on avsim I’m afraid - lose those guys and this game won’t last.

Edited December 3, 20241 yr by hanhamreds

One thing that bothers me about this launch is that the people at Asobo and Microsoft responsible for approving the release of this thing knew it was bugged to all hell, and they still put out marketing claiming how great it was. They knew this was broken but decided to take our money regardless. The whole thing feels very deceptive. 

8 hours ago, BrammyH said:

I noticed that going into FB's KSFO last night in the Asobo MAX. I was also running a ACARS and a flight replay tool and thought that could be it. I'm questioning that logic now.

Not if your problems are caused by whatever's causing mine, because this happened to me in the 170 and the Beaver. And I'm still running the sim vanilla.

7 hours ago, Michael Moe said:

I  accept my Premium Deluxe version like i bought in MSFS2020 but i do not respect the decision to launch a simulator with this . At least delay the Premium Deluxe/Avatar content and give people a discount for investing there money in it upfront.

 

This is a much more reasonable position than the "review bomb them and campaign to get Jorg fired" stuff that's going around. I knew it wasn't going to be perfect on day 1, or day 180. And I'm sure that Jorg/etc were approached by MS corporate communications and told exactly what they could, couldn't and must say in the days/weeks leading up to release. I'm not willing to blame the Asobo team for any of this, because when the choice is "say the simulator is perfect or turn in your access card," most people are going to toe the line.

But I do wonder at the corporatethink that made someone decide that the... Overly optimistic comms ahead of release wouldn't come back to bite them when the game couldn't deliver as promised.

 

Not that I think this is going to be bad long-term. Look at No Man's Sky. When that thing released it was the butt of all the internet jokes. The lead dev promised an incredible game and delivered a 100% hot-garbage mess. But they knuckled down and worked their tails off to improve the game (and are still doing so) and it's now one of the top-rated games on Steam.

I'm fully confident 2024 will see the same reputation redemption, but it does seem silly for them to have forced themselves into needing to redeem their rep rather than just waiting to release until it was in a better state.

 

Yeah, sorry, unashamed evangelist though I am, this article is anything but balanced.

Are they supposed to be an authority on flight simulation? There’s a lot of text about the UI and initial sever problems and only ONE LINE about the flight model, which they admit is a vague ‘very good’. The positives are casually crammed into one paragraph of ‘yeah, the atmosphere, world and fm are great, now back to my problems with binding’.

57 minutes ago, AnkH said:

Lets turn this once around, do you still like it: I for my side cant understand how people can accept such things and argue about the things that work and because this, you are fine with this sim in its current state. But then I see how a dumbass gets more than 50% of votes and I see how the uttermost rubbish can be sold to millions of people and I understand that most peoples standard are below ridiculousness. Brave new world where quality is a word people know only from history textbooks. Fine if you are happy with this word not allowed, but do NOT lecture me about why I should be happy with such a state it is. If word not allowed is ok for you, fine, it is not for me.

And talking about YT videos: yes, there you find all the videos showing what all in this sim doesnt work or is terribly bugged. Hundreds of them. Even YT streamers using 3rd person views facepalm several times if they try one or the other totally bugged plane. 

Have you ever purchased a new house? Like, I mean a BRAND NEW house that was just built on an empty lot in an also brand-new subdivision that used to be some farmer's field...?

Or have you ever managed an office construction project where you have to get old space ripped out and rebuilt for 500-ish people who are moving across the country to be there? On a deadline? Because your client who pays you tens of millions a year says it has to be "done" by the deadline?

Yeah, I can tell your answer to both questions is a big fat, "No".

Because if you HAD done anything like that, you'd realize that Real Life happens, and Murphy is everywhere, laying down his law whether people like it or not.

Reality says that most things don't go as planned. Ever.

So, it's really past time to get a grip: NOBODY told you should be happy with the state it's in.

YOU'VE created that angst for yourself with your utterly unrealistic expectations.

• YES, we KNOW the sim has problems.
• We KNEW launch day was going to be a debacle.
• We KNEW the sim itself was going to have bugs.
• We KNEW the Defaults were going to have incomplete functions.
• We KNEW that the new features were going to be a mess (because new features always are...)
• And we KNEW 3rd Party Dev products being plug-n-play was a toss of the coin (for us).

Those of us who KNEW this going in seem to be coping rather well with the issues after less than 2 weeks since one of the largest (and probably THE largest) flight sim product launches EVER in all of flight sim history.

Because WE KNOW that for everything that does NOT work, and every person who is having a problem, there's 10x as many things that ARE working, and 100x people who are able to enjoy using the sim on a regular basis.

And WE KNOW that MS/Asobo are going to fix things AND make the sim better over the next few years - just like they ALREADY DID with the last version.

Just because the sim doesn't meet YOUR unrealistic expectations doesn't mean that we're dumbasses accepting utter rubbish.

Time to go touch grass, or at least fly X-Plane or something that DOES work for you.

The rest of us will be over here enjoying all the good stuff in the new sim while Jorg and Seb work down the list of issues.

10 hours ago, EGLD said:

😄 who said that?

or anything remotely like that?

Not directly, but this kinda implies it: