Everything I feel (and I'm sure everyone else) about this release nicely captured in this article. I hope Jorg read it and the rest of his team. Not a love story, that is for sure.

https://fselite.net/content/first-look-microsoft-flight-simulator-2024/

Read it yesterday and ya it was a good honest take and spot on in most cases (i.e. about the lack of free-form aviation activities vs being tied to career mode). I know it's easy to pick on Jorg since he's the highest MS lead associated to MSFS, but I'm going to repeat what I said before: If Jorb, Seb, and Asobo had it their way, IMO they surely would've loved more time to finish MSFS 2024 and release it in a state they wanted, without all the bugs. I very much doubt that Seb and Asobo would be the only ones wanting that while Jorg was pushing for the Nov 20th release date.

In all likelihood, as with other major software releases the higher-ups at MS had set the Nov 20th date in stone, and these execs didn't feel anything was "stop ship" enough to delay the release. Such is the state of the software industry these days, whether they be entertainment software, or enterprise, or otherwise.

That said personally, given that MSFS 2020 is there for use as the stable sim platform, I'm more than happy to have the opportunity to buy 2024 in its current state versus waiting months more, and get to enjoy its features while also using 2020. And given that the launch time server-side and streaming issues are mostly resolved now, and we're able to use various add-ons like the Fenix and be able to do free flights, it's actually very hard to go back to 2020 after experiencing the visual fidelity and all the new flight and ground physics in 2024.
 

50 minutes ago, Drumcode said:

Everything I feel (and I'm sure everyone else) about this release nicely captured in this article. I hope Jorg read it and the rest of his team. Not a love story, that is for sure.

https://fselite.net/content/first-look-microsoft-flight-simulator-2024/

That article was 100% on point. The UI design fault reference in it also stands out for me. No one at MSobo could have added Menu/UI scalability in the options menu ?? I'm sure there is already an auto detect device flag somewhere in the sim so it can identify whether its installed on an Xbox or PC so why wasn't there an option to scale the UI to better fit the various monitors when installed on PC and have that option not appear/greyed out when on Xbox ? 

 

52 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

Read it yesterday and ya it was a good honest take and spot on in most cases (i.e. about the lack of free-form aviation activities vs being tied to career mode). I know it's easy to pick on Jorg since he's the highest MS lead associated to MSFS, but I'm going to repeat what I said before: If Jorb, Seb, and Asobo had it their way, IMO they surely would've loved more time to finish MSFS 2024 and release it in a state they wanted, without all the bugs. I very much doubt that Seb and Asobo would be the only ones wanting that while Jorg was pushing for the Nov 20th release date.

In all likelihood, as with other major software releases the higher-ups at MS had set the Nov 20th date in stone, and these execs didn't feel anything was "stop ship" enough to delay the release. Such is the state of the software industry these days, whether they be entertainment software, or enterprise, or otherwise.

That said personally, given that MSFS 2020 is there for use as the stable sim platform, I'm more than happy to have the opportunity to buy 2024 in its current state versus waiting months more, and get to enjoy its features while also using 2020. And given that the launch time server-side and streaming issues are mostly resolved now, and we're able to use various add-ons like the Fenix and be able to do free flights, it's actually very hard to go back to 2020 after experiencing the visual fidelity and all the new flight and ground physics in 2024.
 

I agree with "most of what you said" with the exception of the server issues being "mostly resolved" . I honestly do not think that we are at that "mostly resolved level" as yet. Take a look at the picture of Paris in the review article. Added to that pretty much every stream i have seen as loads of pop ups , pop ins and runways going from fuzzy to sharpening when on final right in front of you. Solutions need to be found there as well. Probably by allowing the download of "core assets" and streaming the rest (a more extreme version of what 2020 is currently) or some variation of it. the 100% streaming may be great for the Console user but this solution is not it.

Jorg should read this article, he claims he reads the news sites every day and let's be honest if he doesn't understand the general feeling towards this title by now he never will, only takes a few seconds reading the thread titles on the official forum to know his customers are unhappy with his product.

Wednesdays Q&A (should it happen) will be an interesting watch, will he actually come out and say it as it is and give us hope? Or will we get the tired old "we're working on it" when it should've been worked on prior to release. We get it, it's a constantly evolving title, but we weren't told it was a Beta on release, he needs to apologise for that alone.

I fully understand the suits above him no doubt pressured him/Asobo to a deadline they couldn't move, but ultimately the buck falls with him as he is the Lead Developer. With many past mistakes and highly questionable decisions, I feel that if he's going to be honest and truthful then now is the time to do it. Don't feed us false hope, don't tell us "things will get better", tell us exactly what you're doing to fix what is a largely broken release.

Actions of course speak louder than words and the next two hot fixes could save his blushes somewhat if they fix the right things, but his words on Wednesday will be taken very seriously by a community that for the most part is royally annoyed at what we've been sold, so if he comes out all smiles & rainbows then he needs to expect a backlash.

Just watched a stream from A330driver where he landed at an airport stored locally on his machine and still saw horrible blurries and heavy stutters.. So maybe there is something beyond streaming of assets that is the culprit here.. Very disturbing.. 

 

Another clickbait article. I like the GUI - no issues on my ultra widescreen monitor. The control scheme is extremely powerful, once you spend some time familiarizing yourself with how everything is laid out. 

17 minutes ago, MarcG said:

Jorg should read this article, he claims he reads the news sites every day and let's be honest if he doesn't understand the general feeling towards this title by now he never wil

I'll bet he read it way before you did.  And I'll further say he feels far worse about the launch than anyone on this forum does.  But you'd like to rub his nose in it as much as possible, as usual.

18 minutes ago, MarcG said:

Wednesdays Q&A (should it happen) will be an interesting watch, will he actually come out and say it as it is and give us hope? Or will we get the tired old "we're working on it" when it should've been worked on prior to release. We get it, it's a constantly evolving title, but we weren't told it was a Beta on release, he needs to apologise for that alone.

Oh, he needs to apologize eh?  You need to apologize for the hubris you display that you have a clue about anything, about Jorg, about why things turned out the way they did.   OF COURSE they're working on it, constantly, guaranteed.

20 minutes ago, MarcG said:

I fully understand the suits above him no doubt pressured him/Asobo to a deadline they couldn't move, but ultimately the buck falls with him as he is the Lead Developer.

Oh I see so the deadline couldn't be moved.  So does the 'Lead Developer' throw a tantrum and threaten to quit when his superiors tell him, "We have to stay on track for this release for all of the reasons we've covered so do the best you can...."?   or maybe you think Jorg should organize a mass walkout to teach MS a lesson?

28 minutes ago, MarcG said:

Don't feed us false hope, don't tell us "things will get better", tell us exactly what you're doing to fix what is a largely broken release.

False hope?  What?  Do you actually believe MS/A won't continue to develop the sim going forward and as quickly as possible?  Let's get very real now:  the sim has already improved greatly despite the fact MS underestimated their capacity relative to demand, and as you well know many issues have hugely settled out already.  After days of "I want my money back" we now have more and more people ready to dump 2020 and stick with 2024, already, a grand total of 12d later.  

 

40 minutes ago, MarcG said:

Jorg should read this article, he claims he reads the news sites every day and let's be honest if he doesn't understand the general feeling towards this title by now he never will, only takes a few seconds reading the thread titles on the official forum to know his customers are unhappy with his product.

Wednesdays Q&A (should it happen) will be an interesting watch, will he actually come out and say it as it is and give us hope? Or will we get the tired old "we're working on it" when it should've been worked on prior to release. We get it, it's a constantly evolving title, but we weren't told it was a Beta on release, he needs to apologise for that alone.

I fully understand the suits above him no doubt pressured him/Asobo to a deadline they couldn't move, but ultimately the buck falls with him as he is the Lead Developer. With many past mistakes and highly questionable decisions, I feel that if he's going to be honest and truthful then now is the time to do it. Don't feed us false hope, don't tell us "things will get better", tell us exactly what you're doing to fix what is a largely broken release.

Actions of course speak louder than words and the next two hot fixes could save his blushes somewhat if they fix the right things, but his words on Wednesday will be taken very seriously by a community that for the most part is royally annoyed at what we've been sold, so if he comes out all smiles & rainbows then he needs to expect a backlash.

Good lord what an utterly biased, self serving, contradictory, and INCORRECT set of conclusions you've reached.

Because fundamentally, you've no idea what you're talking about - and yeah, that's IRL professional advice for you, buddy. 🙂

So what if there's a few thousand dissatisfied customers when you have MILLIONS of satisfied...?

And NO AMOUNT of server pre-provisioning would've staved off the crushing load of those MILLIONS of paying customers.

Fundamentally, many computer issues are nothing more than PEBKAC. 

All this Monday Morning Quarterbacking going on when nearly all of you have never even taken the field yourselves. 🤣

God forbid I have an opinion now that the Asobo apologists are back 🤣 "oh no we must defend Jorg at all costs from the tyranny of those that say what they think!"

I'll speak my mind thanks chaps, I've said my piece, no need to go on, enjoy your day 👍

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I own a 38” monitor, and yet, the interface offers me only a few buttons next to each other that cover the width of the screen. All the interface elements are huge boxes, with huge buttons, offering little to no scaling options to make them smaller. 

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The UI design fault reference in it also stands out for me. No one at MSobo could have added Menu/UI scalability in the options menu ??

These two, from FsElite and Maxis seem to have overlooked this:

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Reader said:

These two, from FsElite and Maxis seem to have overlooked this:

 

 

 

Well awesome... I can make the text smaller...

Does it scale the rest of the UI as the Review writer and myself are talking about ? Or is it just the text ?

Let me know and ill gladly stand corrected ....

 

Cheers

Here you go, this one from the ~same number of days post-release:

It's very telling to go back to release time and witness the myriad issues that persisted for months.  At that time MSFS was so new and so innovative I think people gave it some slack as they were duly blown away by what they were seeing despite its issues.  I think some people don't appreciate just how different 2024 is in many key ways not the least of which are 4000x polygon density, greatly improve multithreading, changed flight dynamics and all of the rest, so they are inclined to assume this launch *should* have gone at least as well if not better than 2020, but again, too many major changes not the least of which is much greater streaming demand.

Well, there can be bugs, no question, but if so many planes have bugs o severe you can basically not use them it has NOTHING to do with what you wrote, @Noel. It is just indicative of a premature release. And it is in some way embarassing for them and you can get the impression that they ARE when looking the vids with Jorg, Seb and Co. I mean, four years forums were filled with one big criticism: that they do not properly beta test their stuff prior release and then this. There are bugs in this game that can be recognised by one single time firing it up. You get planes having the most basic stuff bugged to a level they are currently inop. Flying the default C172 with classic gauges? Impossible. PC-24? No avail. Planes where gears do not work, planes where flaps do not work, planes you cant start the engine and and and. On top all other issues and the only verdict can be: this sim would have needed at least another two, three months with proper beta testing. This is a fact, nothing less.

12 minutes ago, AnkH said:

On top all other issues and the only verdict can be: this sim would have needed at least another two, three months with proper beta testing. This is a fact, nothing less.

Sure, that's right, and time keeps on ticking.  Are you most concerned about loss of interest on the $119 you paid for 2024, that you'd have rather kept it in the bank until say, Feb 2025? Or are you one who uninstalled 2020 only to be miffed 2024 wasn't running well enough to use?   Again, despite on Day 12 many now are ready to commit fully and use 2024 exclusively, however they can albeit limited as it is currently.  Already people are using Fenix in 2024 I think I read.  Contrast this with how long this took in 2020.   I for one never uninstalled 2020 and haven't yet installed 2024 and told myself I'd wait for the inevitable dust to clear.  This 200-500 team of involved staff isn't like the 25 people who create XP12 where it's pretty simple to get things more right prerelease especially when nowhere near the amount of change is involved in a new version as we see in 2024.