3 minutes ago, Simselli said:

I don't know why people keep blaming asobo for the server issues. This was the same in 2020 as well They are Microsoft Servers.. jeez

We are just not as smart as you are, I guess. 😉

4 hours ago, sloppysmusic said:

Observe the condescension in the comment/reply to my post here, while asking a serious question about ILS manual input that can't be found in the FCOM anymore as they no longer provide them:

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/microsoft-flight-simulator-2020-2024-products-discussion/pmdg-777/general-discussion-aa/308480-where-to-put-in-ils-freq-in-777?p=339289#post339289

I can see it. But I should digress and not be so bitter about any of this. I am becoming what I despise some times. A cranky simmer who has better things to do. Thankfully, I still have their DC6, 737 series and 777ER to enjoy in 2020 for now. I am just enjoying too many other planes in 2020 and 2024 right now to let any of this get to me. Ya know?

But I hear you. I think I might just move on from PMDG unless they can redeem themselves for me. Again, my opinion. There are simply too many other developers out there without as many issues, more readily available, less likely to charge extra and still fix bugs (my 737 plane had a WASM bug again today in 2020, uninstall, reinstall, restart, nothing worked) and I could go on and on. Its pointless. I still think they're great and make good planes but I am not sure if I can move forward supporting them after these last few weeks. Well, months.

Case in point: DC6 was buggy from the start. Oscillating, gyro intermittently working. Bob remembers that, don't you Bob? Still kind of bugs out on me every now and then. 737 and their odd black screen bugs. Happened today. 777 as well. Now, today my 777ER had some odd issues with the door ajar alarming HAHAHA.

Kind of over it.

31 minutes ago, Sonosusto said:

I can see it. But I should digress and not be so bitter about any of this. I am becoming what I despise some times. A cranky simmer who has better things to do. Thankfully, I still have their DC6, 737 series and 777ER to enjoy in 2020 for now. I am just enjoying too many other planes in 2020 and 2024 right now to let any of this get to me. Ya know?

But I hear you. I think I might just move on from PMDG unless they can redeem themselves for me. Again, my opinion. There are simply too many other developers out there without as many issues, more readily available, less likely to charge extra and still fix bugs (my 737 plane had a WASM bug again today in 2020, uninstall, reinstall, restart, nothing worked) and I could go on and on. Its pointless. I still think they're great and make good planes but I am not sure if I can move forward supporting them after these last few weeks. Well, months.

Case in point: DC6 was buggy from the start. Oscillating, gyro intermittently working. Bob remembers that, don't you Bob? Still kind of bugs out on me every now and then. 737 and their odd black screen bugs. Happened today. 777 as well. Now, today my 777ER had some odd issues with the door ajar alarming HAHAHA.

Kind of over it.

The only bugs that bothered me were the DC6, which they basically PMDG seemed to have abandoned after they sold it. I don't have any issues with the 737 or 777. I have had on and off problems with the Fenix A 320, some of which still pop from time to time. I just stopped flying the Fenix. 

18 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Just downloaded a large update for the PMDG 777-300, Going to fly it tomorrow if the Asobo servers are working. 

Here is the changelog for the 777 300 update..

 

PMDG 777-300ER Build 2.00.0059 Update:
14984: [General - Ground Operations] Cargo Aft and Cargo Fwd doors fail to close automatically after GSX is done loading (rsrandazzo)
14617: [AFDS - Thrust Modes] Handling potential under shoot after deceleration in AT SPD mode (emvaos)
14207: [AFDS - Thrust Modes] AT SPD Mode tweaked (emvaos)
15001: [General - Ground Operations] Please allow for GPU while engines are running (cbpowell)
14994: [Virtual Cockpit - Functionality/Click-Spots] Ceiling light switch scrolling inverted? (hvanrensburg)
14988: [External Model - Geometry] Missing phone textures when on external/drone camera (jbrown)
14950: [Sounds - Internal/Cockpit] Autopilot disconnect sound (wailer/siren) plays together with master caution sound (abashkatov)
14975: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Placard should be brought to front (visual) (jbrown)
14971: [External Model - Geometry] Pink phones on exernal/drone view (jbrown)
14840: [Main Panel - Standby Gauges] Setting QNH when in STD mode (abashkatov)
14850: [FMS - Setup/Options Pages] LWR Cargo Temp Settings (abashkatov)
14911: [AFDS - Thrust Modes] On FLCH force-switch N1 limit to CLB/CON as appropriate (emvaos)
14702: [AFDS - Thrust Modes] FLCH auto wakes up disconnected but armed AT (emvaos)
14952: [FMS/AFDS - LNAV] Fix on import APP procedures (no SID/STAR only APP transitions) (emvaos)
14953: [External Model - Geometry] Window Shade Handles? Lit Up In External View (jbrown)
14916: [General - Flight Model] Airspeed Control Non-Existant on final approach (rsrandazzo)
14848: [Sounds - Internal/Cockpit] Equipment cooling fan/Volumes on Hydraulic Pressurisation - Adjusted the lvars in the sound xml, fans respond accordingly (jdoorman)
14889: [Virtual Cockpit - Functionality/Click-Spots] Animate the door cockpit handle (vscimone)
14650: [Systems - Lighting - VC/2D] cabin ambient lighting artifacts (jbrown)
14910: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] B51 flickering texture on the galley floor under the door entrance to the main cargo deck (jbrown)
14740: [Systems - Wheels & Brakes] Autobrake Arming logic allows arming under incorrect conditions (rsrandazzo)
14878: [Systems - Flight Controls] Inboard Spoilers during roll (rsrandazzo)
14885: [External Model - Geometry] Engine Spinner and Blade PBR texturing (jbrown)
14887: [Virtual Cockpit - Functionality/Click-Spots] Cockpit camera collision points (jbrown)
14659: [Systems - Air Conditioning/Heating] Time between Packs On and Airflow starting (rsrandazzo)
14666: [Systems - Air Conditioning/Heating] Packs shutdown with Hyd Pump activation near start (rsrandazzo)
14689: [Systems - Wheels & Brakes] Service tires maintance page on FMC not selecting crrect tires (rsrandazzo)
14710: [Systems - Wheels & Brakes] Wheel replacement is not replacing the correct Tire number (jbrown)
14846: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Hole in flight deck on the left side, behind the captain's seat. (vscimone)
14859: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Holes in ceiling above galley. (jbrown)
14855: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Holes in galley back wall. (jbrown)
14863: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Screw details on cockpit door/cabin side (vscimone)
14862: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Texture clipping F/O Ceiling (vscimone)
14860: [External Model - Liveries] Wing Paint bleed thru on trailing edge (jbrown)
14793: [FMS - Route/Legs Pages] Crossing Lat/Lon Fix across Greenwich/Daytime/Equator (emvaos)
14841: [FMS/AFDS - VNAV] Step size restricted to 9000 (was 9900) (emvaos)
14788: [Systems - General/Not Sure] AUTO Seat Belt Function INOP (rsrandazzo)
14691: [Systems - Fuel] Adding fuel on FMC causes the Elevators to vibrate (rsrandazzo)
14588: [Systems - Electrical] ELEC BACKUP SYS Advisory not correctly inhibited. (rsrandazzo)
14647: [Systems - Fuel] Spar Valve messages appearing after shutdown (rsrandazzo)
14724: [Systems - Wheels & Brakes] B41 brake temps stuck at 0. (rsrandazzo)
14746: [Systems - Hydraulic] EICAS drawing error when low pres on Center system (rsrandazzo)
14642: [Systems - Fuel] FUEL SPAR VALVE L/R False Indication (rsrandazzo)
14766: [Systems - Wheels & Brakes] Brake Temps not rising (rsrandazzo)
 

 

2 hours ago, YukonPete said:

That's the great thing. PMDG are no longer King of the hill and other developers don't charge for upgrades. So we can vote with our wallets 

Well, once again, I'll have to ask: when, exactly, have PMDG charged for upgrades...?

PMDG remain king of the hill for the add-ons they offer. 

That said, if they do lose their minds and charge for the initial compatibility jump from v2020 to v2024, then yeah, that'll be a problem.

27 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

when, exactly, have PMDG charged for upgrades...?

Well if I was being pedantic I'd say every time a new sim came out!

What was the last NEW plane they made? 777 for FSX? (DC-6 not a full release).

PMDG is coasting on past glory a bit. They make solid products still, but there are many better devs out there outdoing them in many ways. 
 

It’s ripe for disruption now - I bet you that a quality new dev will announce a direct competitor to PMDG’s fleet within the next six months.

9 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

Well if I was being pedantic I'd say every time a new sim came out!

What was the last NEW plane they made? 777 for FSX? (DC-6 not a full release).

EVERY developer charges EVERY time they go to a new sim. Give examples of devs who don't, please, because I can't think of ANY...

You're making the logical fallacy that if they're modeling the same IRL aircraft that the addon isn't new, when it very much is.

True, if you have a lot of knowledge with a particular IRL aircraft, as PMDG have built up over the decades, then sure - your research & reference materials are largely complete. And this is exactly the same with JustFlight's 146, Leonardo's Mad Dog, and even Aerosoft's addons.

So again, which of the legacy-sim devs have made a "new" plane in MSFS that isn't some sort of carry forward from the legacy sim? The JF Fokker is the only one that comes to mind, and IIRC, that's something like 1 out of 8 addons...?

 

50 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

EVERY developer charges EVERY time they go to a new sim. Give examples of devs who don't, please, because I can't think of ANY...

You're making the logical fallacy that if they're modeling the same IRL aircraft that the addon isn't new, when it very much is.

True, if you have a lot of knowledge with a particular IRL aircraft, as PMDG have built up over the decades, then sure - your research & reference materials are largely complete. And this is exactly the same with JustFlight's 146, Leonardo's Mad Dog, and even Aerosoft's addons.

So again, which of the legacy-sim devs have made a "new" plane in MSFS that isn't some sort of carry forward from the legacy sim? The JF Fokker is the only one that comes to mind, and IIRC, that's something like 1 out of 8 addons...?

 

Fenix, Justflight RJ, The mad dog will have a free upgrade, to start with. 

Edited December 8, 20241 yr by YukonPete

5 minutes ago, YukonPete said:

Fenix, Justflight RJ, The mad dog will have a free upgrade, to start with. 

So as long as PMDG releases their MSFS 2020 planes for 2024 with no upgrade fee then they have done the exact same things as every developer you mentioned above.  

And they also gave P3D users a credit towards their MSFS purchases...  My MSFS 737 was free.  

1 hour ago, UrgentSiesta said:

EVERY developer charges EVERY time they go to a new sim. Give examples of devs who don't, please, because I can't think of ANY...

You're making the logical fallacy that if they're modeling the same IRL aircraft that the addon isn't new, when it very much is.

The question was about PMDG alone. The rest is whataboutism. 

9 minutes ago, psolk said:

And they also gave P3D users a credit towards their MSFS purchases...  My MSFS 737 was free.  

But in fairness, they agreed to give those who purchased the NGXu a credit for the MSFS version, otherwise I and I think many others would not have purchased that product in the months before MSFS was to be released. I think we did PMDG a favor in choosing to support them on the promise of a future aircraft. 

12 minutes ago, psolk said:

So as long as PMDG releases their MSFS 2020 planes for 2024 with no upgrade fee then they have done the exact same things as every developer you mentioned above.  

And they also gave P3D users a credit towards their MSFS purchases...  My MSFS 737 was free.  

We don’t say positive things about PMDG. That’s not how it works here. Everyone here owns all the PMDG planes and enjoys them, but officially, PMDG = evil, and everything they do or say must be hated. Oh, and really important: every other addon = the best addon ever made and much better than any PMDG plane. /s

41 minutes ago, YukonPete said:

Fenix, Justflight RJ, The mad dog will have a free upgrade, to start with. 

Fenix has never been in another simulator.

Just Flight absolutely charged again for the MSFS version even if you purchased the P3D version.

Same with Leonardo - no discount for P3D owners.

 

23 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

The question was about PMDG alone. The rest is whataboutism. 

If you'd like to scope it in to just PMDG, be my guest.

The answer is the same.