Ok, so I'm trying to understand this.    Sorry, I'm a bit slow at some of this stuff.    The new AIG-beta for MSFS 2024 will or will not work standalone?   Meaning, I do not have any AIG 2020 files and this is a new install of AIG/AIM and not an update for me.

The instructions seem to imply (to me at least) that the AIM2024 beta will work on its own without requiring any other files, but if you also have AIG 2020 files then you have more instructions to follow to get it to recognize the 2020 files. I'm basing my interpretation on their statement of "For those who have replaced their AIM files with the new Beta files (Version 1.3.0.3 and higher) are required to migrate their MSFS2020 OCI package to MSFS2024 by following those steps:

Am I reading that right?    If so, then, for me the new beta never gets past 'loading configuration files'.    If not, then i guess the purpose of the beta is only for existing users of AIG.

Thanks in advance.

 

 

5 minutes ago, N6154Q said:

Ok, so I'm trying to understand this.    Sorry, I'm a bit slow at some of this stuff.    The new AIG-beta for MSFS 2024 will or will not work standalone?   Meaning, I do not have any AIG 2020 files and this is a new install of AIG/AIM and not an update for me.

At the moment it's not possible to use Traffic Controller: https://www.alpha-india.net/2024/12/17/ai-manager-beta-for-msfs2024/

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We have no estimate when we will release an update to Traffic Controller, so users installing AIM-Beta to get Models and Liveries can use those only with the default Live Traffic or any other 3rd party traffic injector for now.

 

1 minute ago, Cpt_Piett said:

At the moment it's not possible to use Traffic Controller: https://www.alpha-india.net/2024/12/17/ai-manager-beta-for-msfs2024/

 

Thanks but I don't use Traffic Controller.  I'm talking about AIG/AIM - the models.

Just now, N6154Q said:

Thanks but I don't use Traffic Controller.  I'm talking about AIG/AIM - the models.

The models should work in 2024 with BATC or FSHud. I've only tried with FSHud. 

Just now, Cpt_Piett said:

The models should work in 2024 with BATC or FSHud. I've only tried with FSHud. 

Sorry, I'm not talking about BATC, FSHuD.    My post is referring to the new beta to download models.   Trying to 'open' the new beta never gets past 'loading configuration files'.

Performance comparison FSLTL (using the injector) and AIG models in 2024:

EDDF, Cows DA42 parked at gate B23, clear skies, real time, 4K, DLSS+DLAA, frame generation, TLOD 100, OLOD 200, ultra settings. 

The biggest challenge of this comparison was using the same amount of AI aircraft. I used max 20 active and max 30 parked both in FSLTL injector and FSHud. Even though I used the same real time, I only got 2 active aircraft with AIG vs 8 with FSLTL. 

AIG:
FPS 87

FSLTL:
FPS 85

Conclusion: There doesn't seem to be a significant performance difference between AIG and FSLTL models.

Edited December 18, 20241 yr by Cpt_Piett

29 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Even though I used the same real time, I only got 2 parked aircraft with AIG vs 8 with FSLTL

hmm really, 2 and 8 planes parked at eddf with those injectors 😱

hmm, that seems weird, with aig traffic controller and the aig mighty schedules there should be around 80 parked at midnight at eddf (so if you put a limit at 30 there should be 30 i guess) .. for BATC i don't know because they use their own mysterious schedules but if FSHUD uses the aig flightplans and spawns only 2 aircraft something seems quite wrong and would feel very urealistic on such a big airport ... been lurking on those new injectors but after reading this i'm a bit surprised if you really have that little traffic.

oh well maybe i just didn't get it right 🍻

10 minutes ago, Bad_T said:

hmm really, 2 and 8 planes parked at eddf with those injectors 😱

Sorry, two active. I used real time which was an hour or so ago. Flying around Europe (usually around midday), I get 20 active (which is my limit) with FSHud and AIG.

Edited December 18, 20241 yr by Cpt_Piett

We are working on a fix for the Beta users only having FS2024 installed. Should be ready later today 🙂

 

Regarding performance: Remember this is a simple port from 2020, we have not done any optimazation/SDK changes. There might be even worse performance compared to 2020, because we have some new workarounds and some effects are always enabled somehow in 2024....

8 hours ago, N6154Q said:

Sorry, I'm not talking about BATC, FSHuD.    My post is referring to the new beta to download models.   Trying to 'open' the new beta never gets past 'loading configuration files'.

This is a bug that Kaiii has fixed (see the post above this one) and it concerns those who only have MSFS2024 installed.

Anyway, yes, this version is a complete standalone version and you do not need to have MSFS2020 installed or a previous AIG version. However, if you do have the AIG files from MSFS2020 (like a backup of them) you can put those files into the MSFS2024 community folder so you do not have to re-download everything from scratch again! Which will save you a LOT if time. Make sure though that when you do that you ONLY put the folder called 'aig-aitraffic-oci' into it (which might be called 'aig-aitraffic-oci-beta' in 2020 so make sure to also rename it to 'aig-aitraffic-oci'). Also do NOT copy ANY other folders from 2020 to 2024: only the 'aig-aitraffic-oci' one!

Edited December 18, 20241 yr by mistolip

Edited instructions for those who only have MSFS2024 installed but who do have a backup of the MSFS2020 AIG files:

1. Wait for Kaiii's fix 😉

2. Open your backup and look for the folder called “aig-aitraffic-oci”

3. If it is called “aig-aitraffic-oci-beta” rename it by removing the beta part

4. Copy the folder to the MSFS2024 Community folder (DO NOT COPY any other AIG directory!)

5. Start AIM (don't worry about any modes: there only is a 2020 and 2024 mode with both sims installed)

6. Open the Settings

7. Navigate to the OCI-Settings

8. Click “Reset SimObjects” (This will take several minutes!)

9. Restart AIM

10. Run a Model Update when asked

Edited December 18, 20241 yr by mistolip

57 minutes ago, mistolip said:

4. Copy the folder to the MSFS2024 Community folder (DO NOT COPY any other AIG directory!)

@Kaiii3My aig folder is 75Gb. Copying takes for ever... Is it not possible to set a link in Community with the AddonsLinker2024? Or are the aig folders different between MSFS 2020 and 2024?

Edited December 18, 20241 yr by kiek

7 minutes ago, kiek said:

@Kaiii3My aig folder is 75Gb. Copying takes for ever... Is it not possible to set a link in Community with the AddonsLinker2024? Or are the aig folders different between MSFS 2020 and 2024?

different - mine took just 3 o4 minutes to copy with PowerShell

11 minutes ago, Kaiii3 said:

different - mine took just 3 o4 minutes to copy with PowerShell

Oh I see, I am using the default copy command from windows. But after 15 minutes still 0%, will change to PowerShell too. Thx

 

9 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

The biggest challenge of this comparison was using the same amount of AI aircraft. I used max 20 active and max 30 parked both in FSLTL injector and FSHud. Even though I used the same real time, I only got 2 active aircraft with AIG vs 8 with FSLTL. 

Conclusion: There doesn't seem to be a significant performance difference between AIG and FSLTL models.

 This has ALWAYS been the case. People would commonly report that FSLTL performed MUCH better, but it was always because it was injecting a fraction of the number of AI and those users weren't even aware of the difference (ignorance is bliss). When it comes down to real numbers of matched AI it was often almost identical. This is where the specific system capabilities play a big role between each user.