11 hours ago, CO2Neutral said:

Wrong see here.  But I'm sure your data is much more reliable ... how else could it be right?

You are just proving my point, it wasn't modern agriculture that got them there it was just food availability

11 hours ago, CO2Neutral said:

And I hope your choice to do screening/testing for the multitude of diseases that come with animals slaughter and eat  ... hate to see you get mad cow disease, Salmonella, E. coli, Listeria, shigella, Campylobacter, Brucella, etc. ... so do you travel to see a Doctor or do you just try to tuff it out and/or die from one of these common diseases under the "natural" life cycle? 

Wow you are paranoid, that is no way to live a life, but you already missed what I said twice now "I live in New Zealand so the best agriculture on the planet" There you go a third time 🤣

11 hours ago, CO2Neutral said:

1988 was the first time GM was approved for use in foods.  Prior to that it was less science and more hope ... going back to 8000 BCE, very primitive and no where near as effective.

All modern crops, livestock, you name it was domesticated centuries ago, none of our food is modern, like I said I prefer what I grow on my terraces then what you eat from a lab

Keep ranting if you like it's like I'm talking to someone with a tinfoil hat 🤣

6 minutes ago, Matthew Kane said:

"I live in New Zealand so the best agriculture on the planet" 

 

I once tasted some vegetables cooked with volcanic steam at the bottom of a Māori family's back garden. It was on the banks of Lake Rotorua.

 True story.

👍

Edited January 2, 20251 yr by martin-w

57 minutes ago, dave2013 said:

"Trust the science" actually means "trust the scientists", which, as many of us know now, is a risky prospect.

It's less now about "trust the science" than it is "trust the orthodoxy." Anyone questioning the current orthodoxy is branded a heretic and gets hit with the modern version of the Spanish Inquisition.

About the only science involved in many of these issues is the science of public relations. Manipulation of the masses. 

"Studies show..." Whenever a study is commissioned, it is not to determine the truth, it is to prove whatever is requested by the people funding the study. If you don't find the "correct answer", you won't get any more research grants.

We live in a fictional story written by an unreliable narrator.

Hook

32 minutes ago, martin-w said:

 

I once tasted some vegetables cooked with volcanic steam at the bottom of a Māori family's back garden. It was on the banks of Lake Rotorua.

 True story.

👍

That is a true Hāngī and the food is unbelievable 🥰 

Don't tell that CO2Neutral guy about it, I don't think he could handle it 🤣

3 hours ago, charliearon said:

Time to Ban Martin?? 🤔

 

Diabetes: Almost all artificial sweeteners are more hypoglycemic than table sugar. Except stevia (100% pure stevia, not the stevia mixed with with trash like maltodextrin, glucose, inulin, erythritol. Because the idea is reduce hypoglycemia, not increase it). The simple cure is to use 100% stevia which is found in most supermarkets or amazon, walmart, etc. Stevia is a sweet plant substance, not an artificial created sweetener. The best science is natural science.

Seed oils are dangerous, and yes they too cause diabetes among other serious diseases. Stay away from them. The simple cure is to use olive oil, found in all supermarkets. Olive oil is not steam pressure made, just simple pressing. And don't be afraid of moderately small amounts of eggs, meats, fat, etc. They aren't seed oil terrible, just need to not over indulge.

And like the good doctor said, keep carbohydrates down to a reasonable level.

 

 

4 hours ago, dave2013 said:

They are not better than the rest of us simply because they have a PhD.

I have been privileged to know several PhDs outside of academia. They were all regular people. Some joke about their education. While pushing a cart of computer listings down the hall: "If my thesis advisor could only see me now." Some others try to keep their PhD a secret. One guy got his PhD in EE during the vacuum tube days and was the most interesting. I dearly loved working with him. And some are philosophical: "The PhD is largely a measure of one's capacity to endure boredom." I used to ask them what was the most valuable thing they learned. One guy said to always check the copyright date, as it largely influenced what was written. Another guy said it was learning to touch type. One common factor is that all these people were well grounded.

Inside of academia I wouldn't be surprised to learn many of these people were not the most sterling examples of humanity. But I've never known any, just heard stories. I'm going to guess that constantly being in intense competition with other PhDs has considerable effect on one's confidence and personality.

Hook

Edited January 2, 20251 yr by LHookins

7 hours ago, Fielder said:

Diabetes: Almost all artificial sweeteners are more hypoglycemic than table sugar.

I believe you mean hyperglycemic (aka: high blood sugar)

Hypoglycemic is low blood sugar.

It's easy to get them transposed.

While hyperglycemia is without question a bad thing, hypoglycemia is statistically more dangerous because it can easily cause one to fall into a coma. I'm annoyed when my Dexcom 3 alerts me that my blood sugar is dangerously low, but also grateful to get that warning!

I keep certain foods around for such incidents, such as cannoli's, cream-filled Bavarian's et cetera. 

6 hours ago, LHookins said:

I have been privileged to know several PhDs outside of academia.

I have known many PhDs myself. Most of them semi-jokingly refer to them as "Piled Higher and Deeper" degrees. Thankfully I opted for a ThD, which is fairly rare and thus not subjected to such sophomoric humor. 😉

19 hours ago, charliearon said:

Time to Ban Martin?? 🤔

 

No, no, no Mr. Charlie.

You can't do that, or your big bada-boom alerting service would be offline. 

I mean, did you know about the Starship Launch on 10th January, my birthday? No, you didn't did you? 

4 hours ago, martin-w said:

23 hours ago, charliearon said:

Time to Ban Martin?? 🤔

 

No, no, no Mr. Charlie.

You can't do that, or your big bada-boom alerting service would be offline. 

I mean, did you know about the Starship Launch on 10th January, my birthday? No, you didn't did you?

 

On 1/2/2025 at 10:02 AM, charliearon said:

Time to Ban Martin?? 🤔

No, Charlie, don't do that. Martin can sometimes be annoying but he's harmless, like a gnat in your face. And he often posts good stuff. We'd miss him if he was gone.

He's nothing like some other people, who are like the Slinky toy. Not useful for anything but it makes you smile to see them tumble down a flight of stairs.

Hook

On 1/2/2025 at 12:27 AM, Fielder said:

The first world is not becoming more healthy through science. They are becoming unhealthy at an alarming rate

Because of their choices and the luxury increase in food production due to science.  If I go out and eat 5 lbs of meet from my local cow slaughter house every day I’m going to get obese.  If I eat 10 pineapples a day and 10 apples every day I’m going to get obese.  You’re confusing food accessibility with food product.  Even homeless don’t starve, we don’t have a starvation problem in the US.

 

On 1/2/2025 at 8:39 AM, dave2013 said:

Trust the science" actually means "trust the scientists", which, as many of us know now, is a risky prospect.

Wow, tin foil hat time … so why are you typing on this forum?  A LOT of science made this forum a reality.

So you admit you don’t discover information from any source(s) you magically don’t trust based on what exactly?  Like I said, look at the references for the data provided, research those references, discover how the testing was done … if you don’t make an attempt, then your concept of “I just believe” if pretty pointless along with decisions you make or don’t make.  That’s why these articles have “references”, so people can research and validate or invalidate.

On 1/2/2025 at 9:12 AM, Matthew Kane said:

it wasn't modern agriculture that got them there it was just food availability

Logic escapes you … how do you think so much food magically became available?

Online violence, that’s a new one … let me shake some sense into the tin foil hat brigade by shaking my iPad … oh wait Siri stopped me … phew.