1 hour ago, UrgentSiesta said:

If the next publicly available version had Default scenery and Default aircraft as good as MSFS, or even X-Plane, I'd be willing to go for it since it would be self-contained product.

 

In what ways should it be as good as MSFS or X-Plane, and what is a "self-contained product"?

52 minutes ago, bofhlusr said:

In what ways should it be as good as MSFS or X-Plane, and what is a "self-contained product"?

Yours is a weird response, TBH.

As for what constitutes a self contained product, well that should be self-evident:

Don't make me want to run out and buy 3rd Party add-ons. Let me buy just P3D and be able to have a reasonably equivalent experience to what I can get with an out of the box install of XP or MSFS.

I understand where you are coming from but I do not beleive his question is weird. I dont think there are too many of us that use a vanilla sim of any kind and as an alpha/beta tester for 2020, it was a pretty rough sim to use in its original state. Out of box you have to admit it was rough to use. It is inevitable us folks here are going to be installing several addons of some sort no matter the sim. Just a guess but I think that is where he was going with his question.

Edited April 18, 20251 yr by ywg256

A "self contained" flight simulator would be a big ask. Look what has happened with MSFS over the past four years after many people claimed that addons would no longer be needed? The addon market for that simulator is now bigger than ever. The same would almost certainly be true for any potential P3D v7 built with new technology. I do not have a problem with that, although I understand UrgentSiesta's desire for a completely self contained product. It would make life so much simpler

Edited April 19, 20251 yr by Christopher Low

I mean... the default aircraft they shipped with v6 is the same as with v5, which is an embarassment by today's standards. They are all equally terrible. Starting with graphics and ending with avionics systems. 

Self-contained sim. Since we're dreaming it would be nice to have a new sim with all the world FC Scenery by Fernando Correa and backward capacity of aircraft addons. You would need a lot of storage to be sure but not as much as one might think. After deleting the Rar files the remaining scenery file for Chilie for instance is only 75GB. Well, anyway, just go purchase from him and you have the best of all words. IMHO 

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On 4/18/2025 at 7:33 AM, ywg256 said:

I understand where you are coming from but I do not beleive his question is weird. I dont think there are too many of us that use a vanilla sim of any kind and as an alpha/beta tester for 2020, it was a pretty rough sim to use in its original state. Out of box you have to admit it was rough to use. It is inevitable us folks here are going to be installing several addons of some sort no matter the sim. Just a guess but I think that is where he was going with his question.

I still think the phraseology is "weird", or at the very least, "leading"...

The thing I'm getting at is that with Prepar3D you basically NEED 3rd Party addons just to have what the other two sims build in for the very same price. Y'know...minor things like Real Time Weather and decently representative Aircraft 😉 

In re MSFS 2020, it was indeed rough - at the very beginning. The difference is that Prepar3D isn't at "the beginning", it's been out for years, and one of LM's primary goals has been backwards compatibility. So even v6 is built upon largely the same code base as the previous versions - evolutionary, not revolutionary.

Flat runways, ancient scenery, inaccurate roads, etc., etc., etc.

Doesn't make P3D a bad simulator, it's obviously not, but it's definitely not up to todays standards for Consumer simulators (which, let's face it, is how probably 99% of us are using it).

So, if like me, you've invested many hundreds of dollars (or more) in 3rd Party addons, yes - P3D can hold it's own.

But anyone who's objectively comparing Out of the Box installs of the 3 main simulators, no - P3D is out of date and missing a bunch of important features.

4 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

A "self contained" flight simulator would be a big ask. Look what has happened with MSFS over the past four years after many people claimed that addons would no longer be needed? The addon market for that simulator is now bigger than ever. The same would almost certainly be true for any potential P3D v7 built with new technology. I do not have a problem with that, although I understand UrgentSiesta's desire for a completely self contained product. It would make life so much simpler

MSFS and X-Plane are the level of "self contained" to which I was referring.

If I'm a flight simmer, I don't want to spend $60 on a simulator AND then HAVE to spend another $100-$200 just to have real-time weather and a High Fidelity aircraft addon. If I'm looking over the fence at my neighbors in the other sims, those things are built in to the base sim, PLUS a lot of Quality of Life features.

That does not mean I don't buy addons for XP or MSFS just like I did for P3D, it just means I'm far less inclined to do so when I objectively compare what the baseline features are.