37 minutes ago, somiller said:

It really is pretty good isn't it. Once one gets used to the preflight it really doesn't take that long to load it out and do weight and balance. Eventually you'll bump into an autopilot quirk and have to take temporary control, try and get it to an FMS waypoint it likes and then turn the AP back on, but other than that it's been pretty solid for me.

I'm curious how you like taxi and takeoff roll steering behavior - to me it seems so much better than PMDG 73's and 77. I just can't go back to the PMDG until they make major improvements in ground steering and turn behavior in flight.

Taxi and takeoff steering are excellent in the iFly. 

7 hours ago, Stearmandriver said:

So I did what I'd do in reality

so did you add the wipers to your checklist as they do in reality?

https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/30244/why-are-the-windshield-wipers-in-the-a320-power-up-checklist

44 minutes ago, turbomax said:

so did you add the wipers to your checklist as they do in reality?

https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/30244/why-are-the-windshield-wipers-in-the-a320-power-up-checklist

Wipers aren't in any checklist in any airliner I've ever flown; they're just used as needed.  That looks like it refers to an Airbus though; who knows what they do 😉.  In the sim, Multi Crew Experience recognizes all wipers settings as commands; works well.

25 minutes ago, Stearmandriver said:

Wipers aren't in any checklist in any airliner I've ever flown; they're just used as needed.  That looks like it refers to an Airbus though; who knows what they do 😉.  In the sim, Multi Crew Experience recognizes all wipers settings as commands; works well.

think they are in the check list due to the fact if they have been left in the on position and when power is applied, they could damage the wind screen if its not  raining

Edited February 1, 20251 yr by pete_auau

13 minutes ago, Stearmandriver said:

Wipers aren't in any checklist in any airliner I've ever flown; they're just used as needed.  That looks like it refers to an Airbus though; who knows what they do 😉.  In the sim, Multi Crew Experience recognizes all wipers settings as commands; works well.

Pge 91 in the normal procedures in the PMDG 737 FCOM1 for the NGX. Windshield are very expensive

Michael Moe

1 hour ago, Stearmandriver said:

Wipers aren't in any checklist in any airliner I've ever flown;

Those Magnificent Airbus-Men in Their Flying Machines:

• "Can't depart the gate if you can't see where you are going - not as relevant on a sunny day, but its in the checklist for that reason
•  the power-on checklist is to ensure the wipers are in the off position before starting the APU.
• They must be off, in their park position, to prevent damages due to a dry windshield. Repellent on a dry windshield is also a problem. On the other hand I believe they must be operational for landing on Cat II or III."

9 hours ago, Michael Moe said:

Pge 91 in the normal procedures in the PMDG 737 FCOM1 for the NGX. Windshield are very expensive

Michael Moe

On the other hand, in the real 737s I've been flying for over a decade, this appears in none of our checklists 😉.  It's always a limitation to not operate wipers on a dry windshield though, on pretty much every aircraft that has them, because it will damage the hydrophobic coating.

8 hours ago, turbomax said:

They must be off, in their park position, to prevent damages due to a dry windshield. Repellent on a dry windshield is also a problem. On the other hand I believe they must be operational for landing on Cat II or III."

Yes, as I said above, it's always a limitation that wipers not be operated on a dry windshield.  That's different than them being a checklist item.  They do not appear any any of our 737 checklists, nor did they appear in the checklist of any of the other airliners I've flown.  Are you confusing a flow with a checklist, maybe?  (But again, maybe they do appear in an actual checklist from Airbus, I've never looked.  Do you do a checklist before establishing power in an Airbus?  It's just a flow in every airplane I know.  What if both pilots aren't there yet?  Is it a single pilot checklist?  At that point, IS there a point?)

Yes they are required to be operational, but are hardly ever turned on, for cat II/III wx, because the visibility limiter is usually fog.  Very occasionally have I seen heavy rain take vis below cat I.  Either way, I certainly wasn't doing a cat III into JNU.  Our RNPs are good, but they aren't THAT good 😉.

I thought that the non full functionality of wipers was a MSFS limitation, but IFly prooves it is not, so I hope PDMG may fix its wipers and make them efectively wipe rain drops.

 

35 minutes ago, solito said:

I thought that the non full functionality of wipers was a MSFS limitation, but IFly prooves it is not, so I hope PDMG may fix its wipers and make them efectively wipe rain drops.

 

I wouldn't hold your breath for that to happen. 😉

2 hours ago, solito said:

I thought that the non full functionality of wipers was a MSFS limitation, but IFly prooves it is not, so I hope PDMG may fix its wipers and make them efectively wipe rain drops.

 

In fairness, PMDG 's defense does hold water here: they've taken the stance of running their aircraft completely within the sim, using no external helper application, so that their planes are usable on Xbox as well as PC.  The iFly (and Fenix, and presumably other planes with working wipers?  Are there any?) runs an external helper application to take control of a lot of these things away from the base sim.  So PMDG is probably not lying or making excuses or anything when they say they can't do it; they're just limited by a different development philosophy.

It's business and everyone wants to make money, but PMDG has clearly lost its passion for this hobby long ago and works solely and exclusively to maximize profits. 

Edited February 2, 20251 yr by Aglos77

9 hours ago, Stearmandriver said:

Do you do a checklist before establishing power in an Airbus?

Airbus has A Rain inhibitor( not sure exact name ) button on the overhead should the wipers fail. Bit like Rain X

Edited February 2, 20251 yr by ZKOKQ
Typo

20 minutes ago, ZKOKQ said:

Airbus has A Rain inhibitor( not sure exact name ) button on the overhead should the wipers fail. Bit like Rain X

Yes, rain repellent.  The 737 classics (I flew -400s for several years before we retired them) had it as well.  There was no checklist item associated with it.

I think some folks in this thread have confused / conflated "checklists" with "flows" or "limitations".  They are... Different words for a reason.  😉

9 hours ago, Stearmandriver said:

In fairness, PMDG 's defense does hold water here: they've taken the stance of running their aircraft completely within the sim, using no external helper application, so that their planes are usable on Xbox as well as PC.

It doesn’t, the wiper effect is done by a texture mask. Anyone can do it, external or internal, for example FBW has. It requires some smart tactics with texture mapping. FS24 has sdk to make this feature easier to do(PMDG playing around with It) with a generator tool but it works on the same principle. Though at the end of the day none of it is physics based, it’s all fancy texture work. 

 there’s this misconception that running entirely in the sim presents blockers that external devs can achieve when that’s not true. Both approaches present their own challenges but have their set of benefits however, what one can accomplish in either approach is more or less the same.