3 hours ago, EGLD said:

do you own X-Plane out of interest?

I'd love to hear from someone impartial about how the two sims compare in this regard, perhaps I'll buy back in with Gamepass to see if MSFS default aircraft display more realistic ground handling because that's quite a claim and would be a huge improvement in the MSFS platform that I would welcome for sure

I don't recall it being particularly groundbreaking in my admittedly limited time with the initial release

Not any longer, but that was my main sim before MSFS, and P3D and most other sims before that (see my sig). Given my most recent two sims are 2020 and 2024 I can very easily say that ground handling is night and day difference between 2020 and 2024, and ground physics was my main gripe with 2020 (given that in 2020 all wheels are modelled as single points, the system obviously didn't allow for more complex ground interactions though it was improved some after SU15 when Asobo backported a subset of the 2024's new ground handling.. but all opt-in so aircraft devs need to take advantage). And yes with 2024's revamped ground handling coupled with its much more detailed ground terrain modelling and aircraft interaction with terrain (especially noticeable of course in GA birds), it certainly is the best I've ever experienced when it comes to taxiing, inertia, feeling of aircraft heft/weight, skidding, appropriate behaviour in different terrains and angular terrains, etc.

If you want unbiased reviews/comparisons of 2024 ground handling and flight dynamics, take a look at V1-Simulations (IRL 320 captain who's used and reviewed multiple sims and sim aircraft) of his detailed comparison of the 2024 version of the Fenix vs XP's Toliss A320: https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/654326-msfs-2024-flight-dynamics-and-groundwater-handling-thread/page/8/#findComment-5265248

Look at that thread further for users' reviews (especially IRL pilots) and perhaps especially the ones who still use multiple sims for their takes, i.e: A330 Driver, 320 Sim Pilot, Into The Blue, etc. Also this IRL C172 pilot's detailed review for example: https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/654326-msfs-2024-flight-dynamics-and-groundwater-handling-thread/page/8/#findComment-5262959.

But yes nothing like trying for yourself, and gamepass is the cheapest way. The GA default aircraft that Asobo themselves have put in most/all of the new features would be the C172 G1000 version (and some others). In terms of heavies I'd say the best representations in the default fleet are something like the ini A330. A330 Driver, who never hesitates to complain when it comes to sims or aircraft 🙂, has praised the 2024 A330 multiple times and feels its the best default airliner he's tried in all sims, FWIW. Of course the major payware aircraft devs will end up doing the best representations (as seen in the initial ini A300, Fenix, likely the ini A350, hopefully PMDG will adopt the new capabilities too, etc).
 

Edited February 15, 20251 yr by lwt1971

3 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

Look at that thread further for users' reviews (especially IRL pilots) and perhaps especially the ones who still use multiple sims for their takes, i.e: A330 Driver, 320 Sim Pilot, Into The Blue, etc.

Well ... yes ...

A330 driver: 1,326 videos total, 5 (or so) of them about X-Pane, the rest MSFS.
320 Sim Pilot: 475 videos, 5 (or so) of them about X-Pane, the rest MSFS.
Into The Blue: 294 videos, 5 (or so) of them about X-Pane, the rest MSFS.

So ... what's the conclusion? I know, what you will think 😄 ... I mean, what's the conclusion biaswise?

6 hours ago, flying_carpet said:

'Condensation' 😄 at the C172 engine and the wheels.

Because the C172 nozzle is literally pointing at the wheels:

BTW, the plume of snow that you believe is being blown away by the 172, once again, if you change to live weather, it disappears again:

 

17 minutes ago, flying_carpet said:

Well ... yes ...

A330 driver: 1,326 videos total, 5 (or so) of them about X-Pane, the rest MSFS.
320 Sim Pilot: 475 videos, 5 (or so) of them about X-Pane, the rest MSFS.
Into The Blue: 294 videos, 5 (or so) of them about X-Pane, the rest MSFS.

So ... what's the conclusion? I know, what you will think 😄 ... I mean, what's the conclusion biaswise?

 

Awww bless your heart. So them being positive about MSFS must mean they are biased in your eyes, gee what a surprise 🤣 Did you feel the same way when A330 Driver also praised XP before?

And V1-Simulations rating Fenix higher than Toliss, no comment about bias there? Lol

Them doing more videos about MSFS is simply because.. well you already know why don't you, and you don't like it 🙂

Keep trying your best to push your laughable narratives, we'll keep laughing.

Edited February 15, 20251 yr by lwt1971

16 hours ago, Donstim said:

I haven't heard any commentary from Asobo indicating that they did anything specific to increase the accuracy of airplane rolling or stopping performance on wet, snow, slush, or ice-covered runways compared to FS 2020.

I've always found it harder to taxi on wet runways even in 2020.

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

Because the C172 nozzle is literally pointing at the wheels:

BTW, the plume of snow that you believe is being blown away by the 172, once again, if you change to live weather, it disappears again:

 

😂🤣

 

Changing the month and appearance of snow with the C172. Later in the video watch the tail of the glider: is it snow or condensation? I have already seen condensation on gliders at my local airfield 🤣.

 

2 hours ago, flying_carpet said:

Well ... yes ...

A330 driver: 1,326 videos total, 5 (or so) of them about X-Pane, the rest MSFS.
320 Sim Pilot: 475 videos, 5 (or so) of them about X-Pane, the rest MSFS.
Into The Blue: 294 videos, 5 (or so) of them about X-Pane, the rest MSFS.

So ... what's the conclusion? I know, what you will think 😄 ... I mean, what's the conclusion biaswise?

If those 5 or so Xplane videos gave them the best feeling, they would be using that sim more often, no?

2 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

 

Awww bless your heart. So them being positive about MSFS must mean they are biased in your eyes, gee what a surprise 🤣 Did you feel the same way when A330 Driver also praised XP before

I saw this comment by A330 driver in his Youtube channel:

I didn't expect him to say this, given he was quite positive about XP a few years ago.

Edited February 15, 20251 yr by abrams_tank

Double post

Edited February 15, 20251 yr by abrams_tank

51 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

I saw this comment by A330 driver in his Youtube channel:

I didn't expect him to say this, given he was quite positive about XP a few years ago.

Why have you deleted what you have written earlier in this post (I mean switching from custom to real weather in conjunction with snow and condensation and stuff)? You've realised that you've made a fool of yourself, right? 😂

Well, that tells everything about A330 driver and his biasness. So be it ... I don't care.

1 hour ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

If those 5 or so Xplane videos gave them the best feeling, they would be using that sim more often, no?

streamers stream what the most people will watch, for a lot of them it's their job or at least a decent side income

Edited February 15, 20251 yr by EGLD

4 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

I've always found it harder to taxi on wet runways even in 2020.

Which is unrealistic. Rolling friction on a wet runway is the same as on a dry runway.  I haven't heard to many complaints about this for a while, so I am hoping they actually fixed this a while ago in 2020.

11 hours ago, flying_carpet said:

C'mon guys 😉: it's not THAT hard. Setting defined weather conditions (custom waether), accelerating to a certain speed, reduce throttle to 0, set the parking brake and observe up to which runway exit (and if required count the amount of lights left and right of the runway) the plane comes. It's not to the millimeter exact, but a very good approximation.

 

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You don't even need to approximate. You can get the distances to the nearest meter (or foot) from the available dev tools. You can also see exactly what the runway surface condition is for simulation of the airplane's performance, which may be different than what is being shown visually.

On 2/15/2025 at 12:28 PM, lwt1971 said:

 

Awww bless your heart. So them being positive about MSFS must mean they are biased in your eyes, gee what a surprise 🤣 Did you feel the same way when A330 Driver also praised XP before?

And V1-Simulations rating Fenix higher than Toliss, no comment about bias there? Lol

Them doing more videos about MSFS is simply because.. well you already know why don't you, and you don't like it 🙂

Keep trying your best to push your laughable narratives, we'll keep laughing.

I mean, multiple big streamers have said they do MSFS because it gets them more views. More views. More money. It is the more popular sim and many people who also prefer MSFS are less likely to tune into a Xplane stream. So to say they use MSFS because its just the better sim, is very much false. Theres many reasons as for why they prefer to stream MSFS that has nothing to do with physics fidelity. Flightdeck2sim certainly has critique for MSFS and thinks Xplane handles physics better but MSFS is prettier. And he's a real 737 captain. But no one ever bring up his opinions. Why?

Xplane could come out with the most mind boggling update that improves physics to a level we've never seen before in any desktop sim, and makes planes fly exactly like they do in real life (which no sim does at the moment ofc). And MSFS will still be the favored sim for streams and the community overall because more people are fans of it for a variety of reasons unrelated to physics. Even just for how easily accessible it is and how much more add-ons there are because its mainstream.

Like theres the fact that landing gears only have one contact point, so a330's touches down same way as an cessna. And its of such little important to the "sim" community, that is so far down in the wishlist forum, that Asobo doesnt even have it in their own wishlist. In my opinion, its another extremely important component for ground physics. So its a shame.

TLDR: Streamers likely dont choose what sim they fly in based on how good its physics are. They choose what gets them engagement based on their community. Especially the big ones earning thousands a month from it. And some people certainly refuse to acknowledge MSFS shortcoming due to their own biases since its their main sim, and potentially the only sim they've ever flown.

That being said, MSFS is still my favorite sim and I can hardly look at any other.

Edited February 17, 20251 yr by FedDriver

Remember when the Empire swarmed  dozens of drones all over New Jersey at night last December? Thank God these aliens became so fascinated with MSFS 2024 physics that they called off their attack. And are saving up credits for series 5000 video cards.

On 2/10/2025 at 5:57 PM, abrams_tank said:

Isn't bush flying and taking off from unpaved runways a part of flight sim though?

True 

I fly helicopters, and rocks, grass, plants, do matter. Flying jets doesn't have to make one is alienated from the big picture of this flight simulation.

Edited February 17, 20251 yr by History