8 minutes ago, kevinfirth said:

I actually don't think it's helpful to categorise any ATC app as alpha, beta, early access or whatever.  The fact is, this stuff is so hard to do it HAS to be done incrementally, and that's exactly what you see with BATC, FSHud, as well as VoxATC.  Some parts of each may be considered polished, some are fundamentally sound but may be able to be tweaked, some are genuinely at an alpha or beta stage. 

Again, at risk of repeating myself, any small developer CANNOT produce an all singing all dancing ATC app in a relatively short timeframe, especially when the base simulator platform is a constantly moving target with SU's and bug fixes here there and everywhere.   Accept that what is there working is available, and choose whichever app gives you the things that you need most.

In fact, if you genuinely want to see better ATC, my solution is to buy all of them (none are particularly expensive after all), and use them interchangeably depending on your flight use case.   That way we support the limited 3rd party ATC app developers, which encourages new feature development faster, as well as a healthy sense of (respectful) competition 🙂

 

What's the status of VOXATC？ 

3 hours ago, gabriel122 said:

What's the status of VOXATC？ 

Principle functions carried over from earlier versions are unchanged and working - ie IFR flight, injection and control of AI aircraft at all stages of flight, use of AIG models and flightplans etc...

We have a working version in 2024, which is being tested.  Refinements to application UI and interface are being made but are mainly useability and aesthetics related.  Although you'll obviously need to be online for the sim to work, VoxATC isn't required to be.

IFR flightplans can be imported from Simbrief.

VFR flight is supported to CAP413 standards, UK based services fully supported.

VFR flight is being expanded to improve logic, for example around the correct use of visual reporting points, which can easily be user specified if necessary.  Want a radar traffic service for a VFR flight - ok!  Want to transition military airspace - ok!  plus other things to come....

VFR and IFR flight isn't an either/or situation... it all works in an integrated fashion - see my older video here for an example, that incorporates my user flight with IFR and VFR AI injected by vox: 

 

A way forward to provide a range of improved voices has been implemented (at no additional cost), but let's be clear, these won't be as fully featured as BATC for example.  The focus of vox is to provide an immersive and ACCURATE Simulated ATC Environment (SATCE), not to provide a billion voices or to enable chit-chat about the relative merits of different hotdogs, for example 🙂  That said, itwill be possible to add more voices yourself if you wish.

The voice recognition has just recently been overhauled, which will allow for much more flexibility in terms of comms and readbacks.  VoxATC will challenge you for example, to repeat parts of a readback that you miss or get wrong.  But, read the critical info back ok, but maybe not in the same order or the same exact phraseology, and Vox will be content with that, just like a real controller.

Massive thanks needs to go to AIG, who have worked with us very closely to also work some magic about the injection of AI VFR traffic... 😄  We are integrating AI VFR dynamic flightplans, which in the UK, will make use of the CAA's civil aircraft register so the AI VFR injected by Vox in the sim will pretty closely match real world registrations and aircraft types, operating around the geographic area where they are actually based 😉  Dynamic VFR flights will operate both circuits, local flights and varying cross country routes. [Where model availability permits - this is expanding all the time]

Should I start another thread with an example video of the dynamic AI VFR mixed in with an IFR departure?

EDIT: it will be able to be button controlled and voice controlled, or indeed a mixture of both as you prefer in the same flight session.

Join the Discord at: https://discord.gg/AqqfRhVn

 

Edited February 26, 20251 yr by kevinfirth

23 minutes ago, kevinfirth said:

We have a working version in 2024

Interesting stuff! If only it had button control... 😉 

2 minutes ago, mistolip said:

Interesting stuff! If only it had button control... 😉 

Oh, there will be a 'say it' button, that you can click or assign to a key/button so you can use Vox in either a voice controlled or button controlled posture.

1 minute ago, kevinfirth said:

Oh, there will be a 'say it' button, that you can click or assign to a key/button so you can use Vox in either a voice controlled or button controlled posture.

Cool. Definitely an ATC option to keep a close eye on!

On 2/24/2025 at 12:05 PM, Bobsk8 said:

Yeah, I agree, that is absurd, giving 1,000 foot instructions.

Yesterday, this time coming from KMSP to KDEN, so all flat plains no steep Front Range to accommodate, BATC instructed me to 11K feet, then 10K feet, then 8600ft, all within a few minutes.   Oh, but that's way too detailed 😉

54 minutes ago, Noel said:

Yesterday, this time coming from KMSP to KDEN, so all flat plains no steep Front Range to accommodate, BATC instructed me to 11K feet, then 10K feet, then 8600ft, all within a few minutes.   Oh, but that's way too detailed 😉

You need to stick to FShud.

 

On 2/25/2025 at 9:16 AM, Alvega said:

Are you sure you didn't click the button to ask for a new approach instead of the new runway button?

Certain, yes.  I did touch base w/ their discord and they informed me only runways mentioned in ATIS for the arrival will be possible to request a change to, and then only during a short window, so that appears to be how it works.  WHY they routed me to 15L at KSBA is a whole other story.   Next it will be Rwy27 at KTEX 🙃

3 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

You need to stick to FShud.

 

And you need to get a job with BATC as their chief marketing agent 🤣

2 minutes ago, Noel said:

And you need to get a job with BATC as their chief marketing agent 🤣

@Noel and @Bobsk8 perhaps I could tease you with an offer of a beta testing post with VoxATC then, so you can extend your constructive analysis of ATC apps into a wider arena? 🤣

10 minutes ago, Noel said:

And you need to get a job with BATC as their chief marketing agent 🤣

He would need to be fired from Aivlasoft first. 😁

Edited February 26, 20251 yr by Alvega

3 minutes ago, kevinfirth said:

@Noel and @Bobsk8 perhaps I could tease you with an offer of a beta testing post with VoxATC then, so you can extend your constructive analysis of ATC apps into a wider arena? 🤣

HI Kevin, where is there a good overview of what VoxATC is and where it's headed?  

Overall I'm fine with BATC and prefer it over FSHud and this is 100% due to the voices involved, not so much the ATC.  IOW, voices really do matter nowadays.  I believe FSH' ATC instruction is overall better and that comports with a few other users here.  But FSH's voices often sound like controllers are seriously depressed!   

Edited February 26, 20251 yr by Noel

29 minutes ago, Noel said:

HI Kevin, where is there a good overview of what VoxATC is and where it's headed?  

Overall I'm fine with BATC and prefer it over FSHud and this is 100% due to the voices involved, not so much the ATC.  IOW, voices really do matter nowadays.  I believe FSH' ATC instruction is overall better and that comports with a few other users here.  But FSH's voices often sound like controllers are seriously depressed!   

See a few posts above!!

For me everything is shapping up towards say intentions because it also supports xPlane and even p3d!

2 hours ago, Noel said:

so all flat plains no steep Front Range to accommodate, BATC instructed me to 11K feet, then 10K feet, then 8600ft, all within a few minutes.

 What you would commonly find irl is that the ATC sectors are split high and low, so initial decent assuming there's no conflicting traffic etc would be to the bottom of their airspace, then handed off to the next. Getting cleared from mid 30's cruise to something in the low teens often just doesn't happen.  It all depends on how the sectors are configured depending on where you are. Lots of different variables.