1 hour ago, Vitold69 said:

It seems to me that they have now reached the ceiling of their developers' capabilities

Not sure why you think that.

3 hours ago, Georgleboui said:

That’s a good example of what I mean about BATC being a bit more of a hassle to use.

A lot of my flying is done outside there typical US/big international airports theme. I had cases where BATC would just refuse to work due to lack of data which is annoying. May have gotten better lately.

I’d much rather get given a generic “taxi at your own discretion” than completely fail to work.

 I've honestly not encountered that in several months. Maybe I'm just not flying to the right places.

I know airports without taxi way names, like Gaya's KATL, will just say '“taxi at your own discretion”, but I haven't been told I can't fly.

Edited July 5, 2025Jul 5 by Tuskin38

One phrase which made my day today:

"Cebu XXX, Manila ground. Welcome to Manila. There are no gates can accommodate your plane. Taxi at your discretion."

This "Welcome to Manila" sounds in case "there are no gates" only.

Those guys don't know how to cope with AI anymore.

Edited July 5, 2025Jul 5 by Vitold69

19 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

How are BATC supposed to fix data that isn't theirs?

FSHud, P2atc, and SI have all figured it out... Sim data is inaccurate, not good for realistic procedures, end of story.

Even MSFS team admits it's nowhere near good enough for their own ATC?

15 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

Not sure why you think that.

 I've honestly not encountered that in several months. Maybe I'm just not flying to the right places.

I know airports without taxi way names, like Gaya's KATL, will just say '“taxi at your own discretion”, but I haven't been told I can't fly.

If you want to fly to an airpoort that has no taxi ways to any parking just a runway, it will not let you fly. Have had it happen  a few times. 

Edited July 5, 2025Jul 5 by Bobsk8

In general BATC works great for me. Especially since I just don't want to speak on my PC (I babbled enough in my life - also a reason why I'm not on VATSIM), I find the 'button answer option' with BATC a good way to handle that. Since I'm flying IFR only, BATC is a good solution for me. The only two things that bother me:

• cost: you're not able to configure BATC in detail, when to use the (costly) premium voice sets and the (free but quite annoying) basic sets. So making a - let's say one hour flight in Europe (with quite some amount of traffic) in full premium voice (everyone on frequency talks in premium with each other), you consume around 30 000 so called 'characters' (remember: using  buttons only to talk). Which means with one $10 package of premium characters you can do around 8 one hour flights. If you fly longer hauls than 1h, it's much less of course.
• vectoring: I'm flying in Europe mainly. I like to approach airports via STAR. But I also really like to get vectored for a landing (leaving out the STAR in SimBrief planning).
  When getting vectored, BATC often makes you descent way to late and gives you a to high descent path further on (until you reach the runway interception - also way to high). Especially when flying more 'slippery' planes like the PMDG737. This is a big problem with BATC, which exists since the first day of release and is (imho) even getting worse with every update (adressing vectoring). When flying a STAR, it works much better most of the times (especially when the STAR has it's own constraints, for BATC to orient itself on). But when getting vectored (and BATC has to find it's own descent path for you) it often is totally off. 

Especially with the second point, I thought after release 'Well, there's a tiny bug. They gonna fix this quick'.  And here we are.

Edited July 5, 2025Jul 5 by Watsi

16 hours ago, Vitold69 said:

Those guys don't know how to cope with AI anymore.

BATC doesn't use AI generated sentences, it's all prescripted. the only thing being generated by the AI is the voices.

There's nothing to 'cope'.

Edited July 5, 2025Jul 5 by Tuskin38

Overall I’m enjoying my BATC purchase. 
 

Only issue I’ve had thus far is that I can’t force a runway change. Was doing a flight into STL, and the real world winds were something like 190/5. Real world planes were landing 12L which simbrief agreed. As I approached the airport BATC said I was going to get 30R for landing. No matter what option I tried, the program insisted on 30R. I had to switch frequencies and fly the approach I wanted, which defeats the purpose of buying an ATC addon. 
 

I’ve also notice it loves vectoring you for a visual. Flying into EWR 22L, it gave me vectors towards the TEB, then didn’t get back to me to clear me for the visual. I knew I couldn’t go beyond the Hudson or go near LGA airspace, so I vectored myself on the visual. After awhile, BATC did resume communication and the rest was fine. If not I’d probably be past Queens and off to East Moraiches (sp). 
 

in both instances, the PF has to take control and I would have liked if ATC was more on top of the situation, but in no way do I feel these are deal breaking experiences  

 

3 hours ago, Watsi said:

• vectoring: I'm flying in Europe mainly. I like to approach airports via STAR. But I also really like to get vectored for a landing (leaving out the STAR in SimBrief planning).
  When getting vectored, BATC often makes you descent way to late and gives you a to high descent path further on (until you reach the runway interception - also way to high).

Especially with the second point, I thought after release 'Well, there's a tiny bug. They gonna fix this quick'.  And here we are.

I fly mainly europe too. On bigger airports everything works fine, but as soon as I fly to smaller regional ones, it's kind of a mess. At some airports for example, "Tower: cleared IFR etc, call me back when ready for taxi", and when i request startup or taxi, "Tower: you're no were near runway, why the hell you request takeoff clearance". Other small airports, it vectors me trough the mountains, instead of using the correct procedures. Posted logs and procedures on discord, nothing changed.

I like it, but woks best with tubeliners IFR on bigger airports. Curious to give SI another try next week when traffic will be released to everyone.

This thread is pretty boring and pointless. BATC is still around, still developing and they're still good. A lot of these ATC programs are pretty good. 

11 hours ago, ConairMSFS said:

At some airports for example, "Tower: cleared IFR etc, call me back when ready for taxi", and when i request startup or taxi, "Tower: you're no were near runway, why the hell you request takeoff clearance".

This is no bug. Just some illogical button assignment in BATC. When you're on airports with tower only (no ground freq.), tower handles everything. Normally action button 1 is always the next logic movement (a. get clearance, b. get pushback, c. get taxi, etc.). With tower only airports, the first button 1 action is still to get the clearance, but after that the 'takeoff request' is on button 1 (until you used it). Getting pushback clearance and (after that) taxi clearance is suddenly button 2! So that's why ATC is shouting at you, cause you pushed button one after pushback, means you asked for takeoff clearance at the apron. You need to use button 2 for taxi clearance. 

Edited July 6, 2025Jul 6 by Watsi

5 minutes ago, Watsi said:

This is no bug. Just some illogical button assignment in BATC. When you're on airports with tower only (no ground freq.), tower handles everything. Normally action button 1 is always the next logic movement (a. get clearance, b. get pushback, c. get taxi, etc.). With tower only airports, the first button 1 action is still to get the clearance, but after that the 'takeoff request' is on button 1 (until you used it). Getting pushback clearance and (after that) taxi clearance is suddenly button 2! So that's why ATC is shouting at you, cause you pushed button one after pushback, means you asked for takeoff clearance at the apron. You need to use button 2 for taxi clearance. 

Thanks for your answer. I'll try to explain again.

Using a single PTT button, voice control.

I request clearance, and tower clears me for IFR, contact me back when ready for push or start.

When so i contact tower back for push and start as i've been instructed, using voice commands, same and only PTT button, i get scolded cause I'm nowhere near runway for takoff.

So I have to manually check on charts and select ground frequency, then I can ask ground for taxi. 

Only happens on some airports.

 

Ah, ok. As said I don't use PTT. So I never had that. Normally when there's a tower only airport, there is no ground to handle anything. Tower does all. And asking tower for pushback and taxi (via buttons) works for me. 
As I learned recently, BATC seems to get the frequencies from the airport scenery (addon or default). So it could also be a problem with the scenery. 

19 hours ago, Watsi said:

cost: you're not able to configure BATC in detail, when to use the (costly) premium voice sets and the (free but quite annoying) basic sets. So making a - let's say one hour flight in Europe (with quite some amount of traffic) in full premium voice (everyone on frequency talks in premium with each other), you consume around 30 000 so called 'characters' (remember: using  buttons only to talk). Which means with one $10 package of premium characters you can do around 8 one hour flights. If you fly longer hauls than 1h, it's much less of course.

This is abject heresy for most...but not all...users...but I make BATC be essentially ambience enhancement.  Oh it definitely provide instruction for my flight that I follow but that's where it stops because I don't use BATC's injection/management, I just use FSLTL's injector.  The thing is...most often you won't notice the difference in terms of how BATC provides ATC for your flight.  What this affords is a way to keep the cost of premium voices way way down, and it's all I use because of that.  What's happening is when you turn BATC's traffic off, and then select premium voices, you only have your own pilot voice (premium options allowed therefore) and one ATC controller's voice that impact character use.  Whereas when you use BATC's traffic and even if you choose controller only voices as premium, all of that chatter between by BATC with its AI traffic use premium characters, as you know.   This also allows rapid contact to ATC as you're not waiting to for other communication to end and open access to BATC's ATC.  Very often FSLTL's traffic will be using the same landing and departure runways that BATC will direct you to, but not always so that is a downside.  Plus, animation of AI traffic by FSLTL is far superior to BATC's animation which if you look will often see herky jerky animation when close enough to see, as in taxi or watching TO/landings from a taxiway near the runway.  FSLTL's is super smooth.  To offset missing ATC chatter when I use this method I dial in LiveATC for ambience and it's most plausible.   Lastly, the performance cost of BATC is reduced by roughly 50% w/ the same amount of AI traffic, and you will see more AI traffic typically as well.   BATC seems to want to space traffic very far apart which makes sense but means you will often see less of it.

BATC could offer finer control in how premium voices are used to help with this.

51 minutes ago, Noel said:

I just use FSLTL's injector. 

That is exactly what I do too, since BATC is primarily an immersion tool for me. Hence the premium voices. The basic ones are... ok (better than most classic ATC stuff, including MSFS ATC), but still far from immersive. 

Although I really waited for BATC traffic injection, since it promissed (at least to me) to get more variety in the flight. But that wasn't really the case since BATC still doesn't care about enroute aircraft separation and you still always get the same climb procedure (first to 160-180 and then to crz level, which gets boring during time).

Edited July 6, 2025Jul 6 by Watsi

I only use BATC’s traffic. Hearing other aircraft on the radio is better than none 

plus they fly and taxi better than any traffic using the built in AI systems.

No constant go arounds, no approaching too high and having to fly in circles to get lower, no parking at the gates at weird angles.

Another thing with SI, if I understand the preview videos, again they’ll be using charts to position the traffic. Which means you could see them parked in weird places if your scenery is out of date. 

Edited July 6, 2025Jul 6 by Tuskin38