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Unfortunate time for the release. I hope the release itself was not spurred up by the unfortunate time. :(Later, guys, after the recession is over.

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I'd spend 3 times that amount if someone did my Baron in such detail.Since I am not interested in heavy flying at all, I'll be passing-but I certainly don't find the price unreasonable for something of this magnitude and detail.It is gas prices that make me feel that way-I can save a lot by staying proficient on the sim saving many real gallons.GeofaMy blog:http://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/

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>I'd spend 3 times that amount if someone did my Baron in such>detail.>That's because you must be very well-to-do, Joffa, from a very rich country. Congratulations. :)Dirk.

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No-it is because I am not well to do and real flying is very expensive.Thus I am very happy to save lots of money by staying proficient on a desktop computer for the cost flying once around the pattern.What does a real Md-11 cost? How much does it cost to just start the engines. How much does a real Md-11 simulator cost?$80 to experience this seems a real bargain to me.GeofaMy blog:http://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/

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I've never in as long as PMDG has been in business, turned down a PMDG product. If this were the revamped 737 line or a nice 757, no problem. But for nearly $85.00 US for this bird? (and I'm sure it's a quality product and worth every penny), no....can't this time, it's partially the times, but also not what I really want to fly. Randy Jura, KPDX

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>No-it is because I am not well to do and real flying is very>expensive.>>$80 to experience this seems a real bargain to me.>Geofa$80 here, 3 x$ times there for a PC game and you're still not so well to do... Ok, I infer all is relative. ;)

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I think it comes down to actual usage.If you plan on flying this aircraft like 80% of your flightsim time, its more than worth it as you'll spend so much time with it you'll get to know and appreciate all its little details and nuances etc, and this is money well spent for you.If you're someone who tends to fly a different model every flight, and maybe will fly this bird 10% of the time, you're likely not someone who's so into the systems details anyway, then this price will seem really steep to you.Regards.Ernie.

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This bird took 4 years of development, employing 9 persons for a result which is a masterpiece of coding, graphics and documentation (more than 1.500 pages!!...do you know the cost of technical writing??)Moreover it is the price the 744 was sold but then... the word "recession" was far from our minds.IMO, comparing its price with FSX is a non-sense. We are not at all on the same market.Just my two cents.

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>This bird took 4 years of development, employing 9 persons>for a result which is a masterpiece of conding, graphics and>documentation (more than 1.500 pages!!...do you know the cost>of technical writing??)>Moreover it is the price the 744 was sold but then... the word>"recession" was far from our minds.>IMO, comparing its price with FSX is a non-sense. We are not a>all on the same market.>Just my two cents.>Very true. For what it matters I don't buy real airplanes neither and that's because they are also too expensive.Anyway I tend to agree with Ernie. I'll wait for PMDG's 737 for FSX hopefully released one day, and which I'll be much more interested to fly regularly.Dirk.

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All, Everyone forgets that if we were purchasing the product in 1999 dollars we would be paying approx. $ 60 US. Because of the decreasing value of the dollar it's now our fellow European simmers that are getting the better deal as the Euro is at 1.37 at the moment. Our bad luck and their good luck.CraigLian Li PC 65B CaseCorsair HX Series CMPSU-620HX 620W Power SupplyPlextor PX-810SA/SW-BL DVD/CDGiagabyte GA-P35-DS3RCrucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)Arctic Freezer 7 ProIntel E6850 Core 2 Duo 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache @ 3.6 GHzEVGA 7950GT KO 512mb 169.21_forceware whqlSeagate Barracuda 7200.10 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATASeagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATAVista Ultimate SP1

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>> All,>> Everyone forgets that if we were purchasing the product in>1999 dollars> we would be paying approx. $ 60 US. Because of the decreasing>value of> the dollar it's now our fellow European simmers that are>getting the > better deal as the Euro is at 1.37 at the moment. Our bad>luck and > their good luck.>>The Euro has been getting hammered lately though, that 1.37 is down from 1.59 in July.If it was released in July its current price would have converted to $95.Regards.Ernie.

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Dave, No offence, but I've never read and will never read a 100 page technical manual for an FSX add-on much less a 1500 page one, so that was time wasted for my dollar. Also, you can spend 7 years with 15 folk and if you've not created an add-on that folk want, what's the point? It's too much $$ for a retro aircraft that I would spend flying less than 5% of the time because of what they chose to build, I don't care how sentimental you get. Randy Jura, KPDX

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I worked around Delta MD-11's in 1994 at Hartsfield as a ramp rat. They'll always have a nostalgic spot in my heart along with the L-1011. But after the whole "Dollars to Euro pricing" by PMDG, no thanks. I'll take my money elsewhere. PMDG,Some of us aren't so quick to forget. BlakeFSX user since...last night :)

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What an excellent add on!I've just downloaded and taken the aircraft for a very short trip around ESMS. No reading of any manual. A little trial and error to get familiar with the AP and FMS. ILS approach when returning to ESMS and performed an autoland. No problems! No bugs detected yet and I have to add the PMDG MD-11 to a very short list of good quality first version releases. Very good done by PMDG! Worth every Euro!Ulf BCore2Duo X6800 3.3GHz4GB RAM Corsair XMS2-8500C5BFG 8800GTX, Creative SB X-FiFSX Acc/SP2, Vista 32

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> No offence, but I've never read and will never read a 100>page technical manual That's OK but these days even much smaller aircraft come with 100+ page manual when well done. What you are saying that effectively you don't care about quality, just want to hop in and fly. But then why have you been a PMDG customer all these years since their simulations by definition require a lot of reading, come with documentation well over 100 pages, something doesn't add up here.Michael J.http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9320/apollo17vf7.jpg

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>That's OK but these days even much smaller aircraft come with>100+ page manual when well done. What you are saying that>effectively you don't care about quality, just want to hop in>and fly. Sorry, the inclusion of documentation/a manual does not "make" an addon quality, just adds to the overall package. I personally rarely look at the manual and to be honest, if as Jeff points out, this hikes up the cost, I'd rather do without the manual. Make it a separate purchase or something.Don't do tubeliners, but looks like a great addon, high cost or not. Hope it does well for them.Regards, MichaelKDFW

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