10 minutes ago, JonathanC said:

? So by your logic, no one should see ANY review except if it's EXACTLY on their own hardware?

That's your assessment, not mine.

I wouldn't waste my time with any of these YouTubers videos. Most all want clicks for revenue. 

YT is littered with MSFS know it alls!

You can come right here and read many performance related threads that are more informative that don't include a YouTube video.

13 minutes ago, tpete61 said:

You can come right here and read many performance related threads that are more informative that don't include a YouTube video.

That's the whole point, people want top be able to see the performance difference, without buying the hardware to see it, or without having to install SU4 to see it.

You making a post can be less informative than a video. 

Showing someone something they can see, is not the same as telling someone. Do you understand this basic fact?

Youtube allows people to host videos, so it allows us to see the performance difference with our own eyes. It costs money to host videos but luckily, you can host videos on Youtube for free. Effectively what you are saying is that we shouldn't watch videos here at Avsim. Your posts are a lot of nonsense sometimes, including this Youtube rant, which you have done multiple times in other threads in the past.

Edited September 17, 2025Sep 17 by abrams_tank

11 minutes ago, tpete61 said:

There's nothing weird about it.

People continually post this YouTube stuff with people making claims about the game that just are most often far from accurate. If my system is very different than someone else's than the performance is going to be very different as well! Not a hard concept to understand.

A performance boost from SU4 will certainly be something some may see and others may not. I'm running SU4 right now and I could make the same ridiculous video refuting it! I have no noticeable difference in performance from SU3 to SU4.

My point is still the same, one persons YouTube video tells me nothing as far as performance goes!

What are your PC specs? Have you actually done a side by side comparison with average frame rate and 1% low metrics to see if there is indeed no difference, or are you just eyeballing it?

has anyone noticed any issues rolling back? i kinda wanna try the beta, but have had issues in the past...

8 minutes ago, RNAVV19R said:

What are your PC specs? Have you actually done a side by side comparison with average frame rate and 1% low metrics to see if there is indeed no difference, or are you just eyeballing it?

I monitoring the frame rate. It's virtually identical to SU3.

Keep in mind SU4 is a BETA. 

I wouldn't put to much into comparing the current release to a BETA.

Someone thinks I like doing YouTube rants...not really just pointing out the nonsense the YouTubers put out in the wild! You wanna believe them, go ahead!

Yeah, this thread is going off track now. Can we get back to discussing SU4 performance instead of one person's opinion about YouTube, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the Sim?

Any more off-topic posts and the topic will be locked.

Instead of locking this thread, why not just delete the random posts.. this is a useful thread to discuss SU4 performance. 
 

One thing I haven’t seen people talking about - the load times seem to be much faster as well. Both the sim loading, and then the load from the map screen to the flight seem faster. 
 

Have you guys noticed that as well? 

9 hours ago, JonathanC said:

Instead of locking this thread, why not just delete the random posts.. this is a useful thread to discuss SU4 performance. 
 

One thing I haven’t seen people talking about - the load times seem to be much faster as well. Both the sim loading, and then the load from the map screen to the flight seem faster. 
 

Have you guys noticed that as well? 

I haven't noticed significant differences with SU3.

Instead, I tried the 737 Max and it seems completely broken. Left throttle reluctant to go up, seatbelt signs alarm going off when switch is on, front wheel getting stuck, a couple of CTDs... 

This in different circumstances, also with empty community folder and without a flight plan.

Anyone else reporting this? 

On 9/16/2025 at 7:49 AM, Area said:

… the stuttering is still terribly and desperately present (starting at 4:25). …

I don’t usually watch YT videos but this comment intrigued me because I don’t recall observing stuttering that might count as “terrible” or “desperate” since about FS9.

Being as dispassionate as I can, I couldn’t see any stuttering at or after 4:25. Watching a second time - maybe there was a tiny jerk at one point, but so fleeting that it might equally have been a blink of the eye. 

This tells me that some of the discussions on here, as elsewhere sadly, are like ships passing in the night! People have completely different perceptions of the same thing, and there is no way acceptable to all participants of arbitrating who is “right” and who is “wrong”.

Edited September 18, 2025Sep 18 by tfm

That is the problem with such "analysis". I do not have those annoying landing stutters, and I guess it is simply because I use a frame limit via usercfg.opt (currently set at 36). But of course, for comparing FPS gains in SU4 beta vs. SU3, a FPS limit would not make a lot of sense, no?

1 hour ago, tfm said:

I don’t usually watch YT videos but this comment intrigued me because I don’t recall observing stuttering that might count as “terrible” or “desperate” since about FS9.

Being as dispassionate as I can, I couldn’t see any stuttering at or after 4:25. Watching a second time - maybe there was a tiny jerk at one point, but so fleeting that it might equally have been a blink of the eye. 

This tells me that some of the discussions on here, as elsewhere sadly, are like ships passing in the night! People have completely different perceptions of the same thing, and there is no way acceptable to all participants of arbitrating who is “right” and who is “wrong”.

There was more stuttering on landing in the SU4 Beta video than in the SU3 video, although I would not consider either to be a disaster. Having said that, I rarely get stutters of any kind during landing in MSFS 2020 on my pocket calculator PC.

5 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

There was more stuttering on landing in the SU4 Beta video than in the SU3 video, although I would not consider either to be a disaster. Having said that, I rarely get stutters of any kind during landing in MSFS 2020 on my pocket calculator PC.

I wouldn't say that there was more stuttering in SU4. The 1% low is much better in SU4, indicating a smoother experience. It's still not perfect, though, but definitely better.

6 hours ago, AnkH said:

That is the problem with such "analysis". I do not have those annoying landing stutters, and I guess it is simply because I use a frame limit via usercfg.opt (currently set at 36). But of course, for comparing FPS gains in SU4 beta vs. SU3, a FPS limit would not make a lot of sense, no?

Frame rate limit might be one reason, but rolling cache might be another. If you are flying in the same locations a lot, that could be why you have smoother performance in those areas.

2 hours ago, RNAVV19R said:

I wouldn't say that there was more stuttering in SU4. The 1% low is much better in SU4, indicating a smoother experience. It's still not perfect, though, but definitely better.

Yes, and remember that Youtube adds it's own processing and so forth. On my system the stuttering is basically non-existent. Could it happen? Sure, I can't test every plane and every airport out there, but in everything I fly (350, Fenix, various GA) and in all locations I've tested (All payware - EGLL, CYYZ, EIDW, LSZH, EBBR, EDDF, KBOS.. etc), with traffic (variously MSFS real-time, FsTraffic, FSLTL, AIG Models.. mix and match depending), and 4K Ultra.. it's butter smooth.

Really enjoying it, minor and obvious bugs aside which should be fixed before release. Is it perfect? No, there are still many aspects (career, bugs, etc) that need to be fixed.. but performance is much much better. 

Edited September 18, 2025Sep 18 by JonathanC