I was given a demonstration of BeyondATC by a friend yesterday. He was using MSFS2020.

With its ability to include SIDs and STARs in its instructions it was very impressive. The voices too were a big improvement over those in Radar Contact v4 but that's probably down to changes in technology in 20 years.

So it was very disappointing when I went on the BeyondATC website and found out it's not compatible with P3D.

ProATC is. SayIntentions is. Pilot2ATC is. FSHud is.

Given all ATC programs use SimConnect to get the aircraft position, heading, speed, altitude and type I fail to understand why BeyondATC is only suitable with MSFS2020 and 2024. If the competition can read P3D SimConnect data then surely this one can.

I've written to the author and await his reply. Radar Contact remains very useable but there are now serious alternatives.

" Radar Contact remains very useable but there are now serious alternatives."

But RC has one major advantage still:  

IT IS FREE!

15 minutes ago, IanHarrison said:

" Radar Contact remains very useable but there are now serious alternatives."

But RC has one major advantage still:  

IT IS FREE!

Tight git! 🤣 The full BeyondATC package is $60? RC4 wasn’t far off that 20 years ago.

19 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Tight git! 🤣 The full BeyondATC package is $60? RC4 wasn’t far off that 20 years ago.

It must be my Scottish grandfather😉. I don't remember how much I paid all those years ago. $60 now is quite a bit in ZAR, thanks to the ridiculous exchange rate.

I was going to say that it was because BATC started development during the MSFS era (unlike FSHud), but I didn't know Say Intentions was compatible with P3D. 

1 minute ago, Luis Hernandez said:

I was going to say that it was because BATC started development during the MSFS era (unlike FSHud), but I didn't know Say Intentions was compatible with P3D. 

XPlane 11 and 12 too. Still waiting to hear back from them.

https://www.sayintentions.ai

How did you feel BATC, Ray? I moved from PF3 to FSHud, but sometimes I feel it misses a lot during vectoring (bor both departure and approach). Also, I don't like the way they handle AI pushback and jetway connection.

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21 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Given all ATC programs use SimConnect to get the aircraft position, heading, speed, altitude and type I fail to understand why BeyondATC is only suitable with MSFS2020 and 2024. If the competition can read P3D SimConnect data then surely this one can.

There’s a lot more that developers have to consider when deciding to support a platform than just flipping a switch. In supporting a platform a developer is committing to full support, bug fixing, cross-testing all new features and changes in every platform for years. 
 

so aside from whatever development work might be needed to make it compatible for P3D, the developer would also be committing to testing every single bug fix and feature update in that platform as well. Good on them if they want to consider it but it’s certainly not a choice that seems financially sensible on the surface given their non-subscription based business model.

 

and of course, if they decide to take the risk and find out it’s not worth it, it’s extremely difficult to then pull out without causing a backlash.

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Why Jeff Smisek? Someone I used to work with at COA. 

@Stavros, we’re dealing with data and only data. If there’s a bug in BATC in XPlane or MSFS2020 it will also be present in all the other sims.

The only thing ATC programs deal with is data via SimConnect. If all the other alternatives offer it for P3D why would BATC be an exception? He doesn’t need to have P3D.

1 hour ago, Luis Hernandez said:

How did you feel BATC, Ray? I moved from PF3 to FSHud, but sometimes I feel it misses a lot during vectoring (bor both departure and approach). Also, I don't like the way they handle AI pushback and jetway connection.

The voices were impressive but the paid for ones were much better than default. We tried it on a flight from Manchester to Dublin. Cruise was 220 with a long circular STAR to 28L. That seemed to match r/w ops.

I would need to try several different flights to get a better feel of it.

Why are they getting involved with pushback and jetways? That’s nothing to do with ATC. They should stick to traffic control.

Our 737 was not connected to a jetway and my mate was doing everything so I couldn’t assess things the same as if I was doing things myself.

16 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Why are they getting involved with pushback and jetways? That’s nothing to do with ATC.

Because they inject. the traffic. With BGL (or AIG TC) traffic, the aircract are injected by MSFS/P3D directly. The pushback and jetway docking animations are also controlled by the sim.

FSHud injects traffic directly, and so the sim AI traffic injection is bypassed. The side effect is that jetways don't attach, and planes don't push back but turn 180º (instantaneously) and start taxiing. I understand BATC also injects their traffic.

8 minutes ago, Luis Hernandez said:

Because they inject. the traffic. With BGL (or AIG TC) traffic, the aircract are injected by MSFS/P3D directly…. I understand BATC also injects their traffic.

This might explain why it’s not been made for P3D. It’s getting into things it really shouldn’t. RC was much simpler. You controlled what traffic was loaded in the sim and RC read the Status of the aircraft to issue appropriate instructions.

7 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

This might explain why it’s not been made for P3D. It’s getting into things it really shouldn’t. RC was much simpler. You controlled what traffic was loaded in the sim and RC read the Status of the aircraft to issue appropriate instructions.

The fact that it injects and controls other traffic alongside your aircraft is one of the big selling points of the product, is it not?

9 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

This might explain why it’s not been made for P3D. It’s getting into things it really shouldn’t.

AI Traffic injection and controlling are the primary reasons why I use BATC. Much more immersive to fly in a fully controlled environment.