I do not claim anything. I just want to be reasonably confident that switching to MSFS 2024 does not reduce the enjoyment that I experience when compared to MSFS 2020. There are still a handful of items that "bug" me about MSFS 2024 (based on the reports of various users), and of course there is the question of PMDG 737 compatibility. Without the latter, I am going nowhere.

1 hour ago, Christopher Low said:

I do not claim anything. I just want to be reasonably confident that switching to MSFS 2024 does not reduce the enjoyment that I experience when compared to MSFS 2020. There are still a handful of items that "bug" me about MSFS 2024 (based on the reports of various users), and of course there is the question of PMDG 737 compatibility. Without the latter, I am going nowhere.

Always moving the goalposts. A few hours ago it was the bugsplatter that can't be switched off. 😉

On 11/10/2025 at 8:48 AM, abrams_tank said:

Yes, he says it will take 4 to 6 months for Stage 2, and they aren't even done Stage 1 yet.  Then there is also Stage 3 after they finish Stage 2.  Looks like the 757 will be released after summer, to be honest.

 

Good catch. Hate to say this, but that's not only "after summer", but more likely well into next year's autumn or winter.
But again: I've never bought an addon for releasing early, but only for being good, so BB is doing the absolutely correct thing on taking whatever time they need.
Even if it's a hard to swallow pill.

22 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I do not claim anything. I just want to be reasonably confident that switching to MSFS 2024 does not reduce the enjoyment that I experience when compared to MSFS 2020. There are still a handful of items that "bug" me about MSFS 2024 (based on the reports of various users), and of course there is the question of PMDG 737 compatibility. Without the latter, I am going nowhere.

I won't ever go back to MSFS2020, but you've got a major point here.
I still do not have any "non Airbus, non widebody" airliner, that features a 737-like navigation display.
Flying the FBW A320 in MSFS2024 is good and makes fun, but it naturally isn't the same like PMDGs 737, which was just perfect for me in MSFS2020.
On some days, I took multiple 737 flights per day and it still was fun to fly.

On 11/10/2025 at 12:10 AM, Tavers said:

Makes complete sense to ditch FS2020 and focus on 24 only.

It's hard to walk away when you've already invested a lot of money in the 'pot'. (think poker games).

It is also psychological: "target fixation" (google).

25 minutes ago, bofhlusr said:

It's hard to walk away when you've already invested a lot of money in the 'pot'. (think poker games).

It is also psychological: "target fixation" (google).

It is entirely psychological, including convincing yourself that the money you invested will be 'lost'. I'd estimate that 90% of the money I spent on 2020 is still being enjoyed in 2024 on the same products which were updated for nothing. If the PMDG 737 was literally all I flew then I might be hesitant to switch, otherwise there is everything to gain and really nothing to lose. 

5 minutes ago, St Mawgan said:

It is entirely psychological, including convincing yourself that the money you invested will be 'lost'. I'd estimate that 90% of the money I spent on 2020 is still being enjoyed in 2024 on the same products which were updated for nothing. If the PMDG 737 was literally all I flew then I might be hesitant to switch, otherwise there is everything to gain and really nothing to lose. 

Yes.  In addition to having invested; and losing time and money, some unfortunately, also invest their ego into a project. 

2 minutes ago, bofhlusr said:

Yes.  In addition to having invested; and losing time and money, some unfortunately, also invest their ego into a project. 

There we go. Then they should never switch. But we don't need to hear from them either. 

48 minutes ago, bofhlusr said:

It's hard to walk away when you've already invested a lot of money in the 'pot'. (think poker games).

It is also psychological: "target fixation" (google).

It's all about tooling here I think. Imagine you spent 3+ years learning the 2020 SDK, have a team that built very specific workflows around it and therefore feel comfortable and confident. You just don't change this up all of a sudden for another sim when you're 70/80/90% into development. That's just not efficient and only likely to throw more delays and stress your way. Much better to finish what you're doing first, then look into porting. 

I've been on projects that are locked to very specific versions of game engines released many many years ago specifically for that reason. 

55 minutes ago, Georgleboui said:

It's all about tooling here I think. Imagine you spent 3+ years learning the 2020 SDK, have a team that built very specific workflows around it and therefore feel comfortable and confident. You just don't change this up all of a sudden for another sim when you're 70/80/90% into development. That's just not efficient and only likely to throw more delays and stress your way. Much better to finish what you're doing first, then look into porting. 

I've been on projects that are locked to very specific versions of game engines released many many years ago specifically for that reason. 

Yup. Very true. This makes me think of COBOL, a programming language used beginning in 1960 AND is still in use today in 2025 by 43% of banking systems (95% of ATM swipes involve COBOL), and US gov't agencies like the IRS and the Social Security Administration. 

Why COBOL (The 1995 Programming Language) Is Suddenly Back in Demand

Surprisingly, COBOL can't be replaced by AI.  

9 hours ago, bofhlusr said:

It's hard to walk away when you've already invested a lot of money in the 'pot'. (think poker games).

It is also psychological: "target fixation" (google).

For like 95% of all my MSFS2020 addons, there's a free upgrade to the MSFS2024 version.
The only real things missing are a non-Airbus, non-Widebody Airliner with a proper ND (PMDG 737...) and a freeware pushback tool.
Both needs are fullfilled with @Martyn JF Justflight's Fokker F70/F100. Good range for european flights and an onboard stair to park at remote stands from which you can just taxi out and need no push whatsoever.

9 hours ago, St Mawgan said:

It is entirely psychological, including convincing yourself that the money you invested will be 'lost'. I'd estimate that 90% of the money I spent on 2020 is still being enjoyed in 2024 on the same products which were updated for nothing. If the PMDG 737 was literally all I flew then I might be hesitant to switch, otherwise there is everything to gain and really nothing to lose. 

That's the case on my side. In MSFS2020, I flew the PMDG 737 exclusively and now I use the FBW A320 as a temporary alternative but yeah, even the best freeware (which the FBW A320neo undoubtedly is) can't compete with the 737.

Ah yeah, the only thing that got "lost" or is a downgrade, is the fact that you'll see a lot of missing landing gear when flying online on VATSIM.
Many (only incoming) aircraft are missing some or all of their landing gears. That's the only bullet to bite when moving from FS20 to FS24.
If someone faces this issue too, please vote here to raise awareness on Asobo's side: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/too-strict-lod-rule-on-aircraft-landing-gears/709715

3 hours ago, Konterhalbe said:

The only real things missing are a non-Airbus, non-Widebody Airliner with a proper ND

Can you elaborate on how you define a "proper ND"? Sounds like the Aerosoft CRJ and Just Flight RJ don't fit the bill?

Just now, martinboehme said:

Can you elaborate on how you define a "proper ND"? Sounds like the Aerosoft CRJ and Just Flight RJ don't fit the bill?

I've heard lots of negativ critics on the Aerosoft product and I had given Aerosoft products a try in FS9, FSX and P3D and not a single one was matching my expectations.
The RJ isn't appealing to me as real world airlines I like haven't had them in their fleet and I don't want to completely abandon the motto "as real as it gets".

Just looking forward flying the F70/F100 in Tyrolean / Austrian Arrows / Austrian Airlines liveries.

24 minutes ago, Konterhalbe said:

I've heard lots of negativ critics on the Aerosoft product and I had given Aerosoft products a try in FS9, FSX and P3D and not a single one was matching my expectations.

I myself also steered clear of the CRJ when it was initially released, based on what I heard about it. I recently bought it based on watching the videos of YourSimCFI (a real-world CRJ pilot), which implied that the addon has gotten a lot better in recent updates. I haven't done a whole lot of flights yet, but the ones I've done have been enjoyable, for what it's worth. (But don't let me talk you into buying it.)

28 minutes ago, Konterhalbe said:

The RJ isn't appealing to me as real world airlines I like haven't had them in their fleet and I don't want to completely abandon the motto "as real as it gets".

Got it. It certainly is an aircraft with a slightly special profile.

28 minutes ago, Konterhalbe said:

Just looking forward flying the F70/F100 in Tyrolean / Austrian Arrows / Austrian Airlines liveries.

Now that one I certainly am also looking forward to. Good memories of the Digital Aviation Fokker 100 (a loooong time ago...).