If and when PMDG gets its 747SP out, that'll likely be a huge impetus for me to get a new computer and switch from 2020 to 2024. In general the whole line of 747 classics up to the 300, I might actually go crazy and get all of them. I know Felis has some reputable ones in X-Plane, still I'm holding out for now.

But dang, that SP! Pardon my bluntness but it's without a doubt the ugliest 747 ever built. From what I understand that thing would regularly go up to like FL430 and cruise at like 0.87 Mach. It pioneered a few long haul regular service nonstops in the 1970's like NY-Tokyo and SF-Sydney, good ol' Pan Am.

A while back I was talking to my brother about buying something expensive, I forgot what, and when I asked how much, he sort of half jokingly said it's one of those things if you have to ask you probably can't afford it anyway. And then I thought of my uncle. I drove him to the airport recently, and the lady at the check in counter looked like she was going to turn him away. He usually looks like he's just crawled out of a cardboard box stuffed with old newspapers, wearing his father's, my grandpa's moth eaten clothing. He always asks how much whether it's for a car or a box of cereal, and carefully considers each purchase. We talk about stocks and investing a lot. I figure his savings are easily in the tens of millions, whereas pretty much anyone else in the extended family might only have a few ten thousand or so saved up.

Anyway, I'm currently still barely managing to run my PMDG 737-700 in 2020 at low settings on an old computer, but hey, it all works. I'm satisfied for the time being. If the 737's become available for 24 towards the end of this year, maybe by the middle of next year the 747's will start coming out, who knows.

My logic at that point would be to spend around $4,000 on a brand new computer, broken down to about $3,500 of it is purely due to flight simming, and $500 of it for a new computer I'd probably need to get soon anyway. Keeping up with the Joneses is certainly not cheap in the flight sim world.

To me PMDG has always shown excellent customer support, and even if I don't read all their bulletins and the manuals in full, I've never once doubted their love and enthusiasm for flying.

15 hours ago, carlanthony24 said:

Others have also mentioned the same. You can bet if Fenix for instance made a 737 or any of PMDG products it would really show.

Ah yes, shall we move the conversation to hypothetical's now?  If's and but's are as useful as Unicorn Nuts in the real world as my boss likes to remind me...   I am sure "if" they did a 330 it would be great, or "if" they did a 340 or "if" they did a 350 or "if" they did a 380 and then of course "if" they were to move to an entirely different airliner altogether they could probably bust out a 737 in like 6 months and embarrass everyone!

But let's again analyze the Data... 

5+ years into MSFS and Fenix has released one family of the Airbus family with their differing engine variants.  An Incredible release no doubt but again, one family variant in 5+ years.  Not even a NEO and a CEO.   It was 3 or 4 years before they were using ALL their own systems.  BFU took well over a year and they have since delivered BFU Patch 1 and 2 but "officially" Fenix is still in "experimental" status for 2024.  (Edit:  This was incorrect on my part, BFU is Native 2024 as I was corrected below.  )

Let's also remember they do not have the MP dependency which has been discussed numerous times allowing them to release much earlier than planes developed for MP.

So not to detract ANYTHING from their incredible release and no doubt they are pushing the bar but again, one variant of the 319/320/321 family in 5 years.  

There is the "narrative" and then there is the data and the facts...   This is still VERY difficult and time consuming despite the belief some dev's walk on water. 

Again, it's a free market, we have one decent Boeing (variant) competitor that's actually been delivered for MSFS.  Not even a full family, a single -Max. 😞 

Bring it on, I would LOVE to see a Fenix Boeing and I would wager if they were to start from zero today we would see it in 2027 or 2028... 

Don't let Data and Facts influence the narrative though.

 

Edited November 16, 2025Nov 16 by psolk

28 minutes ago, psolk said:

Ah yes, shall we move the conversation to hypothetical's now?  If's and but's are as useful as Unicorn Nuts in the real world as my boss likes to remind me...   I am sure "if" they did a 330 it would be great, or "if" they did a 340 or "if" they did a 350 or "if" they did a 380 and then of course "if" they were to move to an entirely different airliner altogether they could probably bust out a 737 in like 6 months and embarrass everyone!

But let's again analyze the Data... 

5+ years into MSFS and Fenix has released one family of the Airbus family with their differing engine variants.  An Incredible release no doubt but again, one family variant in 5+ years.  Not even a NEO and a CEO.   It was 3 or 4 years before they were using ALL their own systems.  BFU took well over a year and they have since delivered BFU Patch 1 and 2 but "officially" Fenix is still in "experimental" status for 2024.  

Let's also remember they do not have the MP dependency which has been discussed numerous times allowing them to release much earlier than planes developed for MP.

So not to detract ANYTHING from their incredible release and no doubt they are pushing the bar but again, one variant of the 319/320/321 family in 5 years.  

There is the "narrative" and then there is the data and the facts...   This is still VERY difficult and time consuming despite the belief some dev's walk on water. 

Again, it's a free market, we have one decent Boeing (variant) competitor that's actually been delivered for MSFS.  Not even a full family, a single -Max. 😞 

Bring it on, I would LOVE to see a Fenix Boeing and I would wager if they were to start from zero today we would see it in 2027 or 2028... 

Don't let Data and Facts influence the narrative though.

 

You couldn’t be anymore wrong regarding experimental it’s now officially native in 2024 happened when BFU was released.

Still waiting for the 747

 Just to get facts right you say they’ve only released one variant they’ve released more than one variant for each type. Doesn’t matter if same type rating they are still different variants. 

Let alone PMDG cut corners which Asobo even confirmed on a dev live stream a while ago. Rather blame others than themselves. Release the 777 with broken sounds which they couldn’t even admit they were ported at first. 

Edited November 16, 2025Nov 16 by carlanthony24

2 hours ago, carlanthony24 said:

You couldn’t be anymore wrong regarding experimental it’s now officially native in 2024 happened when BFU was released.
 

 Just to get facts right you say they’ve only released one variant they’ve released more than one variant for each type. Doesn’t matter if same type rating they are still different variants. 

 

Ah, corrected that then.  My mistake.  What does the 747 have to do with this, are we trying to go tit for tat for some reason? 

I did say one family variant meaning all versions of the 319/320/321 "in that family" of variants.    I am by NO MEANS belittling or demeaning Fenix BTW.  Couldn't have more respect for their release, as I mentioned, raising the bar. 

Edited November 16, 2025Nov 16 by psolk

Just now, psolk said:

Ah, corrected that then.  My mistake.  

I did say one family variant meaning all versions of the 319/320/321 "in that family" of variants.    

Only after you edited you didn’t say before.

35 minutes ago, psolk said:

(Edit:  This was incorrect on my part, BFU is Native 2024 as I was corrected below.  )

 

3 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

Only after you edited you didn’t say before.

I said it was my mistake.

What should I have edited it to?  I left my original comment and then pointed out it was incorrect and I was corrected?  What else would you like? It's not like I erased what I originally said and tried to replace it, I left and and stood corrected. 

Edited November 16, 2025Nov 16 by psolk

2 minutes ago, psolk said:

 

I said it was my mistake.

What should I have edited it to?  I left my original comment and then pointed out it was incorrect and I was corrected?  What else would you like? 

You’ve misunderstood 

2 hours ago, carlanthony24 said:

You’ve misunderstood 

Yeah, now you have lost me altogether and not looking to go tit for tat with you, you said your piece, I said mine, you've now edited to digress to "Asobo said PMDG cut corners" so you clearly just want to go tit for tat throwing anything negative you can think of against PMDG and be right which I'm really not interested in although I must say that I think I missed Asobo calling out PMDG for cutting corners so rather than go any further down a rat hole let's both go enjoy our Sunday's.

2 hours ago, carlanthony24 said:

Let alone PMDG cut corners which Asobo even confirmed on a dev live stream a while ago. Rather blame others than themselves.

  

Edited November 16, 2025Nov 16 by psolk

....and on and on it goes. They just cannot help themselves 

PMDG better hurry up and release otherwise this forum will collapse under its own weight into a singularity. 

I would like PMDG to release some details on the upcoming 737-800 and ultimately the 737NG family.  As far as I know they have been pretty quiet minus a few details like a better sound package etc.  In my opinion it will need some additional bling for me to be interesting in any sort of upgrade and its pricing.  For example will it now finely have the option of a non winglet model?  Will it have the ability to turn on and off the eye brow windows and several other details the model should have by now.  What about all the sub variants like the non 900ER and the freight variants?  Same can be said for the BBJ variants?  I could totally see PMDG dropping the non ER 900 since they are essentially all retired now.  I would like to still fly it since it has its own unique challenges!   

Its also about time we start getting some new info on MAX that has been pending for year(s).  I believe it has been said that the particular project holding up that plane for us simmers is now mostly over.  So the MAX is now heading towards release in theory.  Since it has been so much time it probably needs its own updates so probably not releasing very soon but I would be a bit surprised if it does not come out by next year sometime.