5 hours ago, Konterhalbe said:

Wouldn't be surprised if the 737 was finished weeks ago but RSR is holding it back to justify a higher price because they have to 'completely re-design everything and that's taking thousands of hours', you know?

This is not how business work (especially software business). Prices don't go up just because you holding your product. Otherwise, you would be burning through your cash and cut profit. 

2 hours ago, psolk said:

between this comment and the comment that they should have done Airbusses to sacrifice the Boeing contract for revenue I really do have to chuckle and shake my head sometimes... 

Perhaps if you stopped putting words into context that was never implied, it wouldn’t be as funny?  So when did diversification require sacrifice of Boeing contracts?  But hey, lets do the word twister shuffle … it’s more amusing?

Edited November 14, 2025Nov 14 by SayAgain

14 hours ago, psolk said:

So you really think everything is done but they just aren't releasing it so they can lie to charge a higher price?  

My goodness, between this comment and the comment that they should have done Airbusses to sacrifice the Boeing contract for revenue I really do have to chuckle and shake my head sometimes... 

 

The thing PMDG knows even better than how to create good addon aircraft is how to get the max. revenue from a product.
Fair enough and good for the community, as it helps keeping good addon developers alive and as long as people are paying for it, everything's fine.

I'm a PMDG customer for like 20 years now as I have never lost money on a bad product from them, but as the years pass by, you just get a hold off their sales and marketing strategy.

Why else would Justflight be able to upgrade their complete MSFS2020 airliner lineup for MSFS2024 for free when PMDG only manages to get their 777 out with a half baked soundset?

12 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

Prices don't go up just because you holding your product

It certainly helps PMDG to argue why they will charge more than "just the price for a coffee", as they've stated couple months ago.
People will be like "10 or 20 EUR is totally acceptable giving the long development time for the MSFS2024 737".

The endless critical comments aimed at PMDG really do get boring very, very quickly.

I bought the DC6 as it was one of the first proper ‘study level’ aircraft for the sim. I had absolutely no idea how to fly it nor much motivation to learn, I suspect along with a great many others as it’s a not an aircraft I’ve ever even seen in real life. I think the ‘fascination’ factor of it made them a great number of sales, although I probably flew it twice!

As I’ve said before, PMDG make great products but they’ve definitely fallen behind on the innovation curve and the endless reboots of the same products we’ve seen since 2002 is getting old, no matter how polished they are. 

Looking forward to seeing how BlackBird shake up the Boeing space, just as iFly did with the Max  

 

Edited November 15, 2025Nov 15 by bennyboy75

16 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

This is not how business work (especially software business). Prices don't go up just because you holding your product. Otherwise, you would be burning through your cash and cut profit. 

Nvidia has entered the chat....

19 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

This is not how business work (especially software business). Prices don't go up just because you holding your product. Otherwise, you would be burning through your cash and cut profit. 

Yes.. unless you have a monopoly. Which PMDG do. And they exploit that to the hilt. They have a good product, but if they had viable competition, I can bet you we'd have updates much sooner, and for free.

They do feel like they are now an "old" company. By which I mean they feel like they are stuck in older dev processes or whatever, that are no longer letting them release as fast as other devs. It's not good that it has taken them over a year to release updates for their 737. It's still not updated. 

The good news is that since MSFS has massively expanded the market and reinvigorated this genre, these are now typically self-solving issues. If they continue to be this kind of dev, I'm sure we're going to see competition arriving, just like we have on the Airbus side. So either PMDG makes a good product fast, or else we will get newer devs filling the space. Either way, consumers will win. 

7 minutes ago, JonathanC said:

Yes.. unless you have a monopoly. Which PMDG do. And they exploit that to the hilt. They have a good product, but if they had viable competition, I can bet you we'd have updates much sooner, and for free.

Are you a business owner?

1 hour ago, JonathanC said:

They do feel like they are now an "old" company. By which I mean they feel like they are stuck in older dev processes or whatever, that are no longer letting them release as fast as other devs. It's not good that it has taken them over a year to release updates for their 737. It's still not updated. 

They have said multiple times that their team's priority was a commercial contract which we have since found out was indeed a commercial contract with Boeing and they would circle back to the 737 when commercial restraints eased.

Boeing's new product is now out apparently and PMDG have immediately said the 737 completely redone to 2024 SDK should out by year end.  (Let's also remember the accusations by some here that PMDG was just making up a commercial contract as an excuse)

Their 777 line is already in 2024 so they have been pretty much spot on as to what they have said all along.  

If we look at the data, 2024 is just a year old and quite arguably "just" hitting where it needs to be so the fact it will be 13 months from 2024 release until the 737 release WHILE they were working a commercial contract with Boeing AND releasing the 777 for 2024 the actual data tells a much different story.   

Let's also not forget all of those months Asobo didn't even have a working MP either so it's not even a true year for PMDG as they were always MP constrained. 

So ACTUAL best case with MP the fastest we could have seen it would have been what, 6 or 7 months ago?

The data just doesn't align with that narrative but everyone can feel what they like.

Meanwhile the "newcomers" to the Boeing Market have been at it for 6 years without a single release and are probably STILL a year off and iFly took how many years to give us one version of the Max?  I mean not for nothing but without PMDG we would have a single high fidelity add-on Boeing in MSFS 5+ years since it was released.

I am all for valid criticism but when you actually break it down and analyze the data and facts we have available that is far from the case.  

 

Edited November 15, 2025Nov 15 by psolk

Well, if they give a good product at a good price, they will be successful. If not, they won’t. 
 

The rest is just all of us pointlessly pontificating. 

Yeah, if their products are good enough maybe even Boeing will buy them... 

I'm pretty sure by this point those of us that have been around for long enough know exactly what we are going to get from PMDG, the good, bad and ugly of it and I suppose their track history implies they have already been a success in the flightsim market.  

I mean I am fairly certain that precedent has been set. Not really pontification, more just disseminating quantifiable data than anything. 

Edited November 15, 2025Nov 15 by psolk

1 hour ago, psolk said:

Not really pontification, more just disseminating quantifiable data than anything. 

Okay, sure, I am not a PMDG hater, I own their products. My opinion remains the same, they are no longer a top tier developer for MSFS 2024. That's all. Not something worth debating over and over, I agree that other people will have different opinions to mine. 

Edited November 15, 2025Nov 15 by JonathanC

1 hour ago, JonathanC said:

Okay, sure, I am not a PMDG hater, I own their products. My opinion remains the same, they are no longer a top tier developer for MSFS 2024. That's all. Not something worth debating over and over, I agree that other people will have different opinions to mine. 

Others have also mentioned the same. You can bet if Fenix for instance made a 737 or any of PMDG products it would really show.

Edited November 15, 2025Nov 15 by carlanthony24

Only time will tell if PMDG will be true to their word, IMO at this point of time we have to give them the benefit of doubt.