33 minutes ago, JYW said:

Your reality must be so different to mine.   As St Mawgan said, I too have had the best year of flight sim enjoyment in 21 years - by a large margin.  

Sorry that your experience has somehow been so negative, enough to urge you to post this thread, that I just cannot empathise with.

11 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Fair points. 

im decidedly in the other side of the fence. 

I jumped in to v2024 about a week after release. And though v2020 remained fully installed and I kept it updated, quite honestly I’ve never been even tempted to go back. 

So I’m in the camp that’s genuinely happy the 2024 was released “early”  

 

I would invite both  of you to re-read my original post.  I did not in any way say MSFS 2024 was not great.  What I stated was that looking at the list of fixes in just SU4 alone, never mind previous SU's, was a stark indication that it was very much an unfinished product at the time of original release.  It is just now arriving.  Thus my candid referral to it as 2026.  And I am on three beta teams of notable 3rd party developers who still lack full SDK information to bring some products to full compatibility with MSFS 2024.  

Please just consider that point and in general lets please not turn this thread into a tribal argument as that was not the intent.  So please do not get that started.

4 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

and after SU3 I only go to 2020 if I have an itch to fly an aircraft that's not available or working properly in 2024 yet.

That is the case for when I go back and fly 2020 as well.  Favorite models and favorite liveries, most of which are sports teams themes and I am still in college football season.  This livery is not working in 2024...

GO HOOSIERS!

Edited December 9, 2025Dec 9 by fppilot

4 minutes ago, fppilot said:

I would invite both  of you to re-read my original post.  I did not in any way say MSFS 2024 was not great.  What I stated was that looking at the list of fixes in just SU4 alone, never mind previous SU's, was a stark indication that it was very much an unfinished product at the time of original release.  It is just now arriving.  Thus my candid referral to it as 2026.  And I am on three beta teams of notable 3rd party developers who still lack full SDK information to bring some products to full compatibility with MSFS 2024.  

Please just consider that point and in general lets please not turn this thread into a tribal argument as that was not the intent.  So please do not get that started.

You’re being far too sensitive. 🤙

you put an opinion out into a public forum and you’re getting reasonable responses. 👍

3 minutes ago, fppilot said:

What I stated was that looking at the list of fixes in just SU4 alone, never mind previous SU's, was a stark indication that it was very much an unfinished product

That's a negative way to assess progress.

The positive slant would be "wow, SO many improvements and bug fixes!". 

We, as a community are almost impossible to please.   If updates are not full and frequent, we complain.   If updates are comprehensive and wide, we say "Wow, it just shows how bad it was".

 

1 minute ago, JYW said:

We, as a community are almost impossible to please.   If updates are not full and frequent, we complain.   If updates are comprehensive and wide, we say "Wow, it just shows how bad it was".

I did not say it was bad.  Just said it was not complete.  It was not a complaint.  It was just recognition.

2 minutes ago, fppilot said:

I did not say it was bad.  Just said it was not complete.  It was not a complaint.  It was just recognition.

I'm sorry but to me, the difference between 'bad' and 'not complete' - in this context - is just semantics.

I just fundamentally don't have an issue with an update being full of many improvements and bug fixes.  It doesn't personally inform me that it therefore means the product was released incomplete.

I know the launch was messy - it seems like this was mostly related to banwidth and servers issues (MS being ill-prepared for the enuing traffic that came after launch).   

I only fly the HJET in 2024 and await the new updates coming.

FlightFX also did work on the Boom so I imagine their team is swamped so I can wait for my HJET.

dd

58 minutes ago, Sky_Pilot071 said:

I only fly the HJET in 2024 and await the new updates coming.

FlightFX also did work on the Boom so I imagine their team is swamped so I can wait for my HJET.

dd

Its well underway.

They released it a year early, but thankfully we are very close to a true release candidate. 

7 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

We need to bury this bit of hoary internet myth once and for all. 

Jorg was talking about MSFS, the franchise, having at least a 10 year run. NOT v2020!!!!

he was addressing legitimate simmer concerns that MS would pull another FSX - MS Flight big splash and then abandon the game a year later.

they’ve well and truly put that fear to bed over the last 5 years. 

But in no way did they ever mean that v2020 is a 10 year project where they continue to improve and upgrade, etc  

and given the monthly recurring server/datacenter/bandwidth/staffing costs, I’m not sure they can even afford to. It’ll be dependent on how much money the 2020 MP is able to reliably pull in. And when costs eventually outweigh revenue, it’ll be lights out for 2020  

so, yeah MSFS is well along its “10 year” arc, and v2024 IS the next step!

we WILL have v2028, etc. ad infinitum, and they will all still be MSFS 😁👍

This was my understanding:

Initially msfs2020 was supposed to have a ten year run:

Internet search result:

"Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 Support Timeline
Initial Commitment

    Microsoft initially indicated a 10-year support commitment for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 (MSFS 2020).
    This was meant to assure users of ongoing development and updates."

 

Edited December 10, 2025Dec 10 by vonmar

1 hour ago, vonmar said:

This was my understanding:

Initially msfs2020 was supposed to have a ten year run:

Internet search result:

"Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 Support Timeline
Initial Commitment

    Microsoft initially indicated a 10-year support commitment for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 (MSFS 2020).
    This was meant to assure users of ongoing development and updates."

 

Sources, please. 

if it’s not directly attributable to an official statement by MS/Asobo (and it’s not), it’s just another soul confused by the game of Telephone. 🤙

As far as I am aware, the name of the product was Microsoft Flight Simulator when it was released. The "2020" suffix has only been added because there is now a version with a different year number. That being the case, I would expect the "initial commitment" to have been for "Microsoft Flight Simulator", not "Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020".

10 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Sources, please. 

if it’s not directly attributable to an official statement by MS/Asobo (and it’s not), it’s just another soul confused by the game of Telephone. 🤙

I mentioned what I searched for in my post.
Then I quoted the result of that search.

The result of the search was as I expected.
Same as my understanding from when MSFS2020 was first release.

What did you find on your internet search?

You never mentioned your source of information on MSFS’s initial offering.

12 hours ago, vonmar said:

This was my understanding:

Initially msfs2020 was supposed to have a ten year run:

The initial "10 year" commitment was to the MSFS sim *franchise*, and Asobo sticking to the sim platform for at least that amount of time (I presume they said this in the very beginning of 2020 partly due to how MS walked away from the FSX franchise).

There have been numerous interviews and dev Q&As where Jorg and Seb have touched on this topic and clarified more. One such interview from before v2024 was released is https://msfsaddons.com/2023/06/25/exclusive-interview-with-jorg-neumann-and-sebastian-wloch-we-are-in-the-pursuit-of-the-perfect-sim/

Vasco: Going a bit further into the future, you’ve talked about Microsoft Flight Simulator being a ten year project. Is it still a ten year project or is it now like a seven year project?

Jorg: I think we’ve just extended it. When we started, we said, “Hey, Microsoft Flight Simulator, we’re going to do this for ten years.” It was not exactly how we stated it, but that’s the idea. The success we’ve had so far enables us to make a full-on sequel with new tech and new content. This just shows how much energy there is in our community and to me, that just means we’re going to keep going.

The team is literally twice as big now as it was and I think that’s all just great news for the hobby. And as some people have asked, we’re not going to stop supporting MSFS 2020. We’ll continue updating it. It won’t have the advantages we talked about earlier, like the changing tech to enable more, but in the context of what 2020 was, we’re going to keep adding to it. This new one broadens it even more. We can do more things and people are always asking us to do more and more. MSFS 2024 is the architecture that allows us to do that.

Another interview: https://www.helisimmer.com/interview/msfs-2024-helicopters-future-msfs-2020

Jorg: “[…] I think the general perception needs to be, in 2020 support continues, right? We want to make this great. When feasible, when there's improvements in 2024, we are thinking about backporting as feasible. We don't know if everything can be, most likely not everything. But we'll try, you know, make it as good as we can.
So, no change when people said, oh, we didn't promise 10 years. Yeah, well, that's what we're doing."
 

 

Edited December 10, 2025Dec 10 by lwt1971

22 hours ago, fppilot said:

looking at the list of fixes in just SU4 alone, never mind previous SU's, was a stark indication that it was very much an unfinished product at the time of original release.  It is just now arriving.  

Lol, classic avsim negativism - Asobo/Microsoft release SU4 with a massive amount of fixes and improvements, and this is a "stark indication".....of what now? Yeah, an indication that MSFS keeps improving and improving.😄