January 4Jan 4 How do i deal with a constant switch between 2 ATC centers? Flight: EBBR ---> EGLL. Once EBBR Departure clears me to Brussels Center problems start. I contact Brussels Center only to be told to contact Amsterdam Center. I contact Amsterdam Center only to be told to contact Brussels Center again. I contact Brussels Center again only to be told to contact Amsterdam Center again. I contact Amsterdam Center again only to be told to contact Brussels Center again. etc etc etc... until it makes the switch to London Center and then goes back and forth a bit between Amsterdam Center and London Center until London Center asks me to contact Approach. I thought FSHud would deal with this constant switching between the centers but no... it doesn't. It does just the same thing. How do i deal with that? Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base & hegykc MFG Crosswind modded pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S for VR
January 4Jan 4 Pick another route that doesn't fly along a sector boundary. Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
January 4Jan 4 I often just acknowledge the switch but don;t announce yourself on the new freq, if you're on a long cruise just announce yourself later and the app almost always works it out (BATC here) Regards, Max (YSSY) i7-12700K | Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB 3600MHz DDR4 | Gigabyte RTX4090 24Gb | Gigabyte Z690 AORUS ELITE DDR4 | Corsair HX1200 PSU
January 5Jan 5 I was thinking the same as Bob, above. You're probably flying right along the boundary line between the two zones (popping in and out of them constantly). But when I used to use default ATC I used to do what Max suggested above. Acknowledge the instruction to change frequences, change to the new frequency but don't contact them, until you're well clear of the problem area. Bill 😎FS2024 • Currently in 'GA mode' : A2A Comanche 2024 & Aerostar • Black Square C208, Bonanzas, Barons, TBM850, Dukes • COWS DA40 & DA42 • FSW Legacy, C24R Sierra & C414 • Echo Falco F8L • FFX HJET, Visionjet and P180 2024 • Got Friends A32 Vixxen • FSReborn Sirius TL3000, Sting S4 and Piper M500 • Flyboy Rans S6S • Skyward DA50RG • SWS Zenith CH701, RV-8, RV-10, RV-14, PC12 • Milviz C310R • Air Foil Labs Bristell B23 TrackIR • BeyondATC • PMS GTN Payware • RealTurb • Axis & Ohs • FS Realistic Pro9800X3D • RTX 3080 • 64GB DDR5-6000NPPL licence holder in the UK
January 5Jan 5 Or pick BATC or FSHUD, maybe Say Intentions too... Default ATC has various quirks... Edited January 5Jan 5 by jcomm Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
January 5Jan 5 How about just letting the copilot do all the work? He saves tonnes of work for me. dd Edited January 5Jan 5 by Sky_Pilot071
January 5Jan 5 5 minutes ago, jcomm said: Or pick BATC or FSHUD, maybe Syy Intentions too... Default ATC hás various quirks... That's an understatement jcomm. It's not even as good as it was in 2020 and it was not great in that. Ryzen 5800X3D, Nvidia RTX5080 - 32 Gig DDR4 RAM, 1TB & 2 TB NVME drives - Windows 11 64 bit MSFS 2024 Premium Deluxe Edition Resolution 2560 x 1440 (32 inch curved monitor)
January 5Jan 5 10 hours ago, JYW said: I was thinking the same as Bob, above. You're probably flying right along the boundary line between the two zones (popping in and out of them constantly). But when I used to use default ATC I used to do what Max suggested above. Acknowledge the instruction to change frequences, change to the new frequency but don't contact them, until you're well clear of the problem area. When you use the copilot he'll do just that. dd
January 5Jan 5 Author 2 hours ago, jcomm said: Or pick BATC or FSHUD, maybe Say Intentions too... Default ATC has various quirks... Reply without reading? Didn't I mention somewhere that I used FSHud and that it acts just the same as default ATC? Yes I did. Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base & hegykc MFG Crosswind modded pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S for VR
January 5Jan 5 2 hours ago, Lange_666 said: Reply without reading? Didn't I mention somewhere that I used FSHud and that it acts just the same as default ATC? Yes I did. Oh, sorry ... how bad of me... what a shame!!!! Then try BATC or Say Intentions... as, you should know, the workarounds suggested in this thread while great, wouldn't be required IRL.. Edited January 5Jan 5 by jcomm Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
January 5Jan 5 54 minutes ago, jcomm said: Then try BATC or Say Intentions... as, you should know, the workarounds suggested in this thread while great, wouldn't be required IRL.. Won't change anything. The Sector Boundaries and handovers are the same. The problem in this particular area is the absence of the correct upper control center. In reality above FL 245 it is all Maastricht Radar, whether you cross over between Belgium and the Netherlands and back, or not. Edited January 5Jan 5 by Farlis
January 5Jan 5 38 minutes ago, Farlis said: The problem in this particular area is the absence of the correct upper control center. In reality above FL 245 it is all Maastricht Radar, whether you cross over between Belgium and the Netherlands and back, or not. Exactly, which means, as I wrote above, it isn't really a problem IRL... I don't know how it works with SI because I don't own it. I might test it in Xp12 should the OP make the actual route available... Edited January 5Jan 5 by jcomm Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
January 5Jan 5 7 minutes ago, jcomm said: I don't know how it works with SI because I don't own it. The issue isn't there is SayIntentions. It does zones and boundaries really well, because it's 'looking' at real ATC patterns to decide how to handle you 👍 Bill 😎FS2024 • Currently in 'GA mode' : A2A Comanche 2024 & Aerostar • Black Square C208, Bonanzas, Barons, TBM850, Dukes • COWS DA40 & DA42 • FSW Legacy, C24R Sierra & C414 • Echo Falco F8L • FFX HJET, Visionjet and P180 2024 • Got Friends A32 Vixxen • FSReborn Sirius TL3000, Sting S4 and Piper M500 • Flyboy Rans S6S • Skyward DA50RG • SWS Zenith CH701, RV-8, RV-10, RV-14, PC12 • Milviz C310R • Air Foil Labs Bristell B23 TrackIR • BeyondATC • PMS GTN Payware • RealTurb • Axis & Ohs • FS Realistic Pro9800X3D • RTX 3080 • 64GB DDR5-6000NPPL licence holder in the UK
January 5Jan 5 20 minutes ago, JYW said: The issue isn't there is SayIntentions. It does zones and boundaries really well, because it's 'looking' at real ATC patterns to decide how to handle you 👍 Thank you Bill ! I have to give SI a fair try one of these days... plus, it should work with Xp12 too !!! Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
January 5Jan 5 Nice to know that SI works, but of course it will cost you, and not a little, so the question is just "how" irritating this really is to you 🙂 Jack F. Vogel, Delta Virtual Airlines
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