Hello , 

Over the last few days I've been looking for alternatives to FSLTL and his Live Injection . 

Which Solutions i find out are, 

1. Use FS2024 Online AI Traffic together with the FSLTL Models 
Good : Live Traffic with very professional FSLTL Aircraft Models and a good fitting with the FS2024 own ATC . 
Bad : The Live Traffic Moving and Time Table is not very good . Wrong Parking Positions / Taxiing / Pushback .
To Pay : Nothing 

2. BeyondATC with FSLTL Models 
Good : Live Traffic Injection with FSLTL Models together with much more professional BeyondATC Voices as FS2024 .
Bad : Nor really "Live" Traffic as PSXT .  The BeyondATC engine pulls historical data, rather than live data, from FlightRadar24, creating a "living airspace" based on a historical week.
To Pay : One time  Pay  Subscription  Basic Pack 30$

3. PSXT together with FSLTL Plane Models 
Good : Perfect , real FR24 Live Traffic in combination with FSLTL Models in FS2024

Bad : No Connection to the FS2024 ATC Controller because PSXT has its own Engine . You need additionally BeyondATC or SayIntensions for ATC Voices . 
To Pay :  PSXT as its own dont inject the FR24 Live Traffic , you have to pay for Live Traffic 12 $
To Pay : For the ATC Program , BeyondATC 30$ One Time . or SayIntensions 16$ per Month. 

4. PSXT together with FSLTL and BeyondATC or SayIntensions . 
Good : perfect "Real" FR24 Live Traffic with perfect fitting ATC Controller . 
Bad : you have to Pay for Injection via Live Traffic 12$ per Month + 16$ per Month with SayIntensions or one tome 30$ with beyondATC. 


Maybe a good Option was to combine PSXT ( Live Traffic ) together with the FSLTL Models and the BeyonATC Voices . 
You have to pay only one Time 30$ for BeyondATC and monthly 12$ for Live Traffic. 


What you think ? 

Michael 

Even though the FSLTL fleet and Injector were my preferred choice with v2020 & 2024 for VFR flights, after their decision to drop traffic injection, I decided to install AIG and I'm now a believer in AIG. The add-on has the best models, performance, GA variety, and more than enough liveries.

The one thing that was always missing for me with FSLTL was, small GA aircraft. AIG + the TC does a nice job populating airports. I really don't care about realtime traffic.

BATC utilizes AIG models when I conduct IFR flights, so for me AIG is the ideal AI traffic add-on.

Ok , i give the AIG Models a try but i find they dont look so nice like the FSLTL Models . 

Therefore i uninstall the AIG Models . And the AIG Flightplans are very old . 2022 or 2023 . 

Some Airlines exist anymore . 

 

 

For my usage which is VFR in US at small, medium and very large airports, the best combo I use is AIG models/liveries injected by Say Intentions. As far as I remember, SI uses a mix of airlines schedule and some live data ADS-B when available.

2 minutes ago, winstonwolf said:

Ok , i give the AIG Models a try but i find they dont look so nice like the FSLTL Models . 

Therefore i uninstall the AIG Models . And the AIG Flightplans are very old . 2022 or 2023 . 

Some Airlines exist anymore . 

 

 

It really depends on what's important to you.

If FSLTL is working well, keep using it. No AI traffic addon is perfect.

3 minutes ago, winstonwolf said:

 

Therefore i uninstall the AIG Models . And the AIG Flightplans are very old . 2022 or 2023 . 

It's updated regurlarly, no ? Everytime I launch the AIG updater I have updates from dozens of airlines 😉

Just now, vbazillio said:

It's updated regurlarly, no ? Everytime I launch the AIG updater I have updates from dozens of airlines 😉

correct - flightplans are updated on a regular basis by the AIG Team 🙂

I am using FSHud with the AIG models & flightplans. I like FSHud as an ATC a lot and the traffic injection works alright too. Planes following active SID / STARS with reasonable distancing.  

I am back using the AIG injector again - I used their models with FSLTL anyway.

The only downside is that you cannot set a limit to the amount of traffic (parked, IFR) like you could using the FSLTL injector. 

3 hours ago, winstonwolf said:

Wrong Parking Positions

This is inherent with using the AI engine of the sim. FSLTL is/was no different and AIGTC also uses the ai engine of the sim for parking. 

Yes, FS HUD and AIG work together very well. But it's a shame that the jetways don't dock with the AI aircraft.

 

Yes, FS HUD and AIG work together very well. But it's a shame that the jetways don't dock with the AI aircraft.

Edited April 24Apr 24 by _Airbus_Fan_

21 hours ago, winstonwolf said:

Hello , 

Over the last few days I've been looking for alternatives to FSLTL and his Live Injection . 

Which Solutions i find out are, 

1. Use FS2024 Online AI Traffic together with the FSLTL Models 
Good : Live Traffic with very professional FSLTL Aircraft Models and a good fitting with the FS2024 own ATC . 
Bad : The Live Traffic Moving and Time Table is not very good . Wrong Parking Positions / Taxiing / Pushback .
To Pay : Nothing 

2. BeyondATC with FSLTL Models 
Good : Live Traffic Injection with FSLTL Models together with much more professional BeyondATC Voices as FS2024 .
Bad : Nor really "Live" Traffic as PSXT .  The BeyondATC engine pulls historical data, rather than live data, from FlightRadar24, creating a "living airspace" based on a historical week.
To Pay : One time  Pay  Subscription  Basic Pack 30$

3. PSXT together with FSLTL Plane Models 
Good : Perfect , real FR24 Live Traffic in combination with FSLTL Models in FS2024

Bad : No Connection to the FS2024 ATC Controller because PSXT has its own Engine . You need additionally BeyondATC or SayIntensions for ATC Voices . 
To Pay :  PSXT as its own dont inject the FR24 Live Traffic , you have to pay for Live Traffic 12 $
To Pay : For the ATC Program , BeyondATC 30$ One Time . or SayIntensions 16$ per Month. 

4. PSXT together with FSLTL and BeyondATC or SayIntensions . 
Good : perfect "Real" FR24 Live Traffic with perfect fitting ATC Controller . 
Bad : you have to Pay for Injection via Live Traffic 12$ per Month + 16$ per Month with SayIntensions or one tome 30$ with beyondATC. 


Maybe a good Option was to combine PSXT ( Live Traffic ) together with the FSLTL Models and the BeyonATC Voices . 
You have to pay only one Time 30$ for BeyondATC and monthly 12$ for Live Traffic. 


What you think ? 

Michael 

Very well put together Michael.

Myself, I am using PSXT + RealTraffic ( yearly subscription ~ 9 euro per month ).  You see real live traffic as it is. Diversions, delays, holdings.  It;s all there. 

AIG + FsTraffic models. Primairy AIG, secundairy FsTraffic. If you want a slightly higer framerate choose primairy FsTraffic and secundairy AIG. 

I hope FSLTL find a way for free, i never pay around 100 bucks a year for Traffic - no way, never !!

cheers 😉

Many are paying +100 bucks per year for few charts already available for free in base EFB...  😉

 

Edited April 24Apr 24 by Squatdrop
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