46 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

Spot on.  We're about to get the most in depth bizjet for MSFS ever and people are like "wellll....I don't know about this FSReborn team" lol 

Who said "I don't know about this FSReborn Team" ?

Is it not ok for someone not to have come across this developer before?

How do you know that it will be "the most in-depth bizjet for MSFS ever" ? Will it be more in-depth than the FSW Lear? (Not suggesting either way, just wondering how you know, to make a claim like that).

Edited May 13May 13 by JYW

1 hour ago, xender said:

Let me see if I got this: You where thinking about buying it before (A Phenom 300 that has a Garmin 3000 in real life) but in the avionics video you saw that it has a Garmin 3000 (like in real life) and now you feel some hesitation?

I was not aware that it had Garmin 3000 before seeing that video. I was hoping for something different like Fusion Proline which the Praetor will have.

 

Not that I have anything against Garmin 3000, I just think I have enough aircraft that are powered by these avionics in my hangar already.

Edited May 13May 13 by Farlis

Just now, Farlis said:

I was not aware that it had Garmin 3000 before seeing that video. I was hoping for something different.

 

Not that I have anything against Garmin 3000, I just think I have enough aircraft that are powered by these avionics in my hangar already.

Yeah but fidelity matters, dont you think? Its like not getting a PMDG 767 because you already have the Captainsim one

This should be fun: can anyone concisely and objectively describe what makes FSR planes special?

I own the Sting and the 500; I thoroughly respect the passion that Raul has in both creating his planes and interacting with the community; and I almost certainly plan to buy the Phenom.

But I will admit that I never quite got on with the 500 in FS20, probably mostly due to too many other planes to juggle at the time; and recently when I tried it again in FS24, it seemed like it was good but had been too obviously eclipsed by BlackSquare and A2A products--admittedly not a fair comparison due to the amount of time that has elapsed since the 500 came out.

In short, I don't feel I've ever quite understood what people find so special about these planes but I would like to hear others' thoughts on it.

Edited May 13May 13 by GregP

13 minutes ago, Farlis said:

I was not aware that it had Garmin 3000 before seeing that video. I was hoping for something different like Fusion Proline which the Praetor will have.

 

Not that I have anything against Garmin 3000, I just think I have enough aircraft that are powered by these avionics in my hangar already.

We'll just have to settle for realistic fitment, though 🙂 

This is a banger of an aircraft, and it will, based on the already released FSR500, be a worthy addition to any sim hangar where High Fidelity is the priority. 👍

https://piperowner.org/piper-m600-a-technological-triumph-of-power-speed-and-safety/

Edited May 13May 13 by UrgentSiesta
fumble fingers

30 minutes ago, JYW said:

How do you know that it will be "the most in-depth bizjet for MSFS ever" ? Will it be more in-depth than the FSW Lear?

It seems like the Longitude will still hold that title until the Praetor releases. But this one, based on FSR's previous work, will certainly be in the same league. 🙂 🤙

3 minutes ago, GregP said:

This should be fun: can anyone concisely and objectively describe what makes FSR planes special?

I own the Sting and the 500; I thoroughly respect the passion that Raul has in both creating his planes and interacting with the community; and I almost certainly plan to buy the Phenom.

But I will admit that I never quite got on with the 500 in FS20, probably mostly due to too many other planes to juggle at the time; and recently when I tried it again in FS24, it seemed like it was good but had been too obviously eclipsed by BlackSquare and A2A products--admittedly not a fair comparison due to the amount of time that has elapsed since the 500 came out.

In short, I don't feel I've ever quite understood what people find so special about these planes but I would like to hear others' thoughts on it.

I'd say FSR specializes in the extra things that go with real world aviation.  Aside from the fact that I believe the M500 (errr FSR500)'s best parts are the sounds and turbine simulation/flight model of any turbine out there, Raul likes to go above and beyond to make sure items that really aren't seen are in his addons.  I'm personally not a huge fan of the G1000 in the sim.  IRL - absolutely give me glass any day.  I prefer the G5000/3000 but I also highly enjoy a mixture of glass and analog.  My favorite avionics is the GTNxi and I prefer the one by TDS.  So since the M500 doesn't use my favorite avionics I don't fly it as much - but it's still the best sounding and best turbine sim out there imo.  Then again the Turbine Duke is basically as amazing...Also a favorite.

3 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

It seems like the Longitude will still hold that title until the Praetor releases. But this one, based on FSR's previous work, will certainly be in the same league. 🙂 🤙

Definitely, and I'll be in the queue to pick it up at release. I've bought every single FSReborn addon on release day (mostly because they made the two LSAs that I fly most often in the real world 😎).

I was just curious as to unambiguity of Ryan's "this will be the most in-depth Bizjet ever!" comment.   I wondered if he was on the beta team, for repaints.

Edited May 13May 13 by JYW

15 minutes ago, JYW said:

 I wondered if he was on the beta team, for repaints.

🙂

 

39 minutes ago, GregP said:

This should be fun: can anyone concisely and objectively describe what makes FSR planes special?

I own the Sting and the 500; I thoroughly respect the passion that Raul has in both creating his planes and interacting with the community; and I almost certainly plan to buy the Phenom.

But I will admit that I never quite got on with the 500 in FS20, probably mostly due to too many other planes to juggle at the time; and recently when I tried it again in FS24, it seemed like it was good but had been too obviously eclipsed by BlackSquare and A2A products--admittedly not a fair comparison due to the amount of time that has elapsed since the 500 came out.

In short, I don't feel I've ever quite understood what people find so special about these planes but I would like to hear others' thoughts on it.

Pretty simple: AFAIK it's the most deeply modeled modern glass cockpit turboprop ever made available for either version of MSFS. So while Black Square and A2A are generally the penultimate in Hi Fi GA addons, they're "limited" to steam gauge cockpits.

That's all fine and good, but still, the Situational Awareness provided by the Gx000 suite is (IMHO) unparalleled, both in-sim and (I imagine) IRL.

The M500/600 are also very highly automated - I liken them to driving a brand new Lexus where basically all one has to do is hit the start button and go! This is GREAT for me as I get quite enough Cold Start action in DCS World. In MSFS, I just want to focus on flying and going places and (attempting) to keep my nav skills sharp(ish).

There's a handful of reviews online by IRL Piper M pilots affirming the realism of the addon. IIRC, the only inaccuracy is in lack of prop drag (affecting the ability to accurately set power and speed on final, and obviously, to slow down in general). Raul explained that's a missing feature of MSFS 2020's flight model and that he didn't want to hack it with an invisible speedbrake or something.

Hopefully, Asobo have caught up with that and we'll see it rectified for this new version.

For me personally, I find the flight model to be exceptionally enjoyable (it's "full CFD"), and knowing that, with failures enabled, I have to be careful to properly operate the aircraft (even one so highly automated (as IRL)).

Now, looking at the feature list below (which i reordered according to my personal priorities), especially today in v2024, it may not seem all that special. But when it released? Yeah, IIRC, only the A2A Comanche was available, and Black Square had "only" released their TBM as their first major stand alone addon.

And even so, the below list still qualifies the addon as High Fidelity in any regard. E.g., the FSW Lear v2 has just reached a similar level of fidelity (it was always good, but now it's GREAT 🙂 ).

In short, I still fly the FSR500 regularly today. And more often than my Turbine Duke, the recent Caravan, and even the new (to me) Aerostar. It's kinda my Goldilocks addon for MSFS.

And now the Phenom AND M600 are coming soon...? Oh yeah - SIGN ME UP! 

"FSR500 has been developed using the latest tools available in MSFS, including the latest Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) flight modelling. The development of the FSR500 was made in partnership with pilots who fly single engine turboprops of a similar specification in real-life and the aircraft is as faithful as possible to the systems and performance typical for this class of light, pressurised cabin single-engine turboprops.

The FSReborn modelling of the FSR500 features:

• CFD (Computation Fluid Dynamics fully implemented into the flight model.
• Custom Physics simulation, even pillows will fall off your seats depending how you push your flight envelope. 
• Custom maintenance module (via the EFB) which manages wear and tear to many components of the aircraft alongside with realistic behaviours, failures and consequences in your flight such as, engine failures, Hot Starts, brake failures, electrical failures, tyre's air pressure and many other real world circumstances encountered by real world pilots.
• Realistic flight model tested by real world pilots of this class of aircraft.
• Full custom coded checklist as per original aircraft POH (Pilot Operational Handbook) with interactive co-pilot.
• Full custom ITT simulation in accordance to real world data and scenarios.
• Full custom Engine Turboprop simulation in accordance to real world data and scenarios.
• Full custom Cabin Pressurization system in accordance to real world data and scenarios.
• Full custom climate control system in accordance to real world data and scenarios.
• Over 90 fully operational circuit breakers, all working in accordance to real world pilots’ feedback and guidance
• Over 100+ possible types of failures in accordance to real world pilots’ feedback and guidance. (Note you can disable all failures if desired)
• Full Navigraph integration into the Tablet EFB and also the G1000Nxi display units, allowing to fully display charts, maps and many navigational features just as real-world pilots do. (Please note this requires an active subscription with Navigraph).
• Full Integration with SimBrief allowing you to automatically and seamlessly import SimBrief flight plans into your EFB / Tablet and your G1000Nxi units. 

• Opening doors, chocks, propeller covers, security cones, Ground Power Unit and red carpet included with the product.

• Ground Operations simulation, where the product comes with its own fuel truck and passenger vehicles allowing the end user to fully experience out of the box how their aircraft is refuelled with connecting hoses, passengers arriving at the aircraft, bags being loaded into the airplane, etc. The product comes with 1 fuel truck and various passenger transport vehicles such as limousines and SUVs.

• Passengers behavioural simulation in flight, you will need to be careful about how hungry, thirsty, cold or hot your passenger become when you fly. Even the way you land will affect their mood!
• Tablet EFB to operate many options of the aircraft, including fuel, weight, chocks, pitot tubes, props covers, tyre pressure, brakes pads, battery charge, engine maintenance, lighting bulbs and many more.
• 4K highly detailed PBR textures for the best immersion experience possible.

• 2K LITE textures high performance included.

• 13 liveries included.
• Realistic night lighting, exterior lighting and ambient lighting inside the cabin.
• MSFS rain and icing effects included.
• Highly accurate 3D model and animations."

Edited May 13May 13 by UrgentSiesta

There is one other reason I thought of that just, in general, makes the Phenom 300E so impressive.  It's the short field capabilities.  3200 ft runway for takeoff is impressive.  It climbs like a homesick angel also lol.  It's a touch slower than the C680 but only by 2 mach points.  It's got lovely cockpit visibility - it's essentially a great aircraft for GA style airports as well as staying fast when ATC needs you to keep your speed up going to into major airports.  It's like a swiss army knife!

10 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

There is one other reason I thought of that just, in general, makes the Phenom 300E so impressive.  It's the short field capabilities.  3200 ft runway for takeoff is impressive.  It climbs like a homesick angel also lol.  It's a touch slower than the C680 but only by 2 mach points.  It's got lovely cockpit visibility - it's essentially a great aircraft for GA style airports as well as staying fast when ATC needs you to keep your speed up going to into major airports.  It's like a swiss army knife!

Huh...I was under the impression that the minimum landing distance was rather long due to lack of reversers and/or big flaps (at least according to V1 Simulations, who said that was one reason his IRL charter op didn't purchase it...?).

But a quick search turned up that it's surprisingly good relative to direct competitors:

• Phenom 300E: Approximately 2,212 ft.
• Phenom 300: Around 2,159 ft.
• Cessna Citation CJ3+: About 2,040 ft.
• Cessna Citation CJ4: Nearly 2,700 ft.
• Pilatus PC-24: Potentially 2,525 ft.

The CJ4 is really surprising to me - i figured the straight wing would help with that!

Now I'm REALLY happy to see the Phenom coming to sim! 🙂

 

1 hour ago, GregP said:

 I thoroughly respect the passion that Raul has in both creating his planes and interacting with the community; and I almost certainly plan to buy the Phenom.

But I will admit that I never quite got on with the 500 in FS20, probably mostly due to too many other planes to juggle at the time; and recently when I tried it again in FS24, it seemed like it was good but had been too obviously eclipsed by BlackSquare and A2A products--admittedly not a fair comparison due to the amount of time that has elapsed since the 500 came out.

I understand. My FSR500 has never been able to compete for flight time against my PC12, Cessna 414 or Turbine Duke.

Nevertheless, looking forward to the Phenom.

 

The single only thing I don't like about the FSR500 is that nasty white glareshield!   I want a black one! 😄  The white looks weird and plasticky.

In 2020 I'm sure there was a texture mod on the TO, that provided a black glareshield, but I don't believe it works in 2024.  Anyone know otherwise?

Edited May 13May 13 by JYW

2 hours ago, JYW said:

The single only thing I don't like about the FSR500 is that nasty white glareshield!   I want a black one! 😄  The white looks weird and plasticky.

In 2020 I'm sure there was a texture mod on the TO, that provided a black glareshield, but I don't believe it works in 2024.  Anyone know otherwise?

It works... there's not a native 2024 M500 so yeah TimHH did a mod that works. Also some of our paints have the darker panel with logos etc too.