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Could I respectfully ask developers to continue your excellent work for FS9 the last REAL SIMULATOR?FSX is a game and always will be. I will not be chucking any more money away attempting to provide a computer for hardware not available to run decent and good software.Please post your support here so that the 'devs' know that we will be responsive to their products?

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Absolutely! I, and I know I am not alone, will not even consider FSX for about 3 years. I have an Athlon FX 57 processor (overclocked @ 3.0Ghz) with a Nvidia 7900GS, so now I am able to enjoy FS9 with great add-ons. I am planning on purchasing more (Active Sky being the next), so please, developers, keep the FS9 alive and continue to develope more add-ons.RH

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The 'devs' make it. We like it? We'll buy it.Nothing is ever too old or has been around the block too many times.Case-in-point.I decided to go back to FS9 and so bought four volumes of Bird's Eye View.I also recently bought my key for FSPassengers.I love both recent product purchases!FS9 is not dying out or going anywhere soon, and now with VISTA revealed, I betcha there will be new products for it (FS9) in the coming months.Mitch R.

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Its a fine product.My only criticism is that i am so addicted to flying virtual aircraft through virtual skies that my eyes are beginning to glow like a vampires and my skin is turning pallid from spending more and more hours gazing at the flatscreen.Actually i am still surprised after all this time that i can be a few moments into a flight and still say to myself "that just looks beautiful"sometimes a sim and sometimes a real work of art.FS9 I love it chapsTo all the you should get a life merchants i say......you mumble off!I like my simming so THERE! @-@ Andy

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Go FS9!Well - go FS2002 and go FSX too. The more the merrier in my opinion. I hope there'll be a lot of work continued on FS9 for some good time to come as running FSX at a satisfying pace is certainly beyond the means of many simmers here in early 2007.I'm certainly doing what I can to further that goal...RegardsJeff

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It took me a couple of years since purchasing FS2004 to finally arrive at good frame rates (dual LCDs) and stable quality add-ons. A ton of effort has been invested in tweaking, learning, patching, upgrading, installing, re-installing etc. getting FS2004 to a level which allows me to enjoy flying. Do I want to start all over again? Ah

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>Could I respectfully ask developers to continue your>excellent work for FS9 the last REAL SIMULATOR?>>FSX is a game and always will be. I will not be chucking any>more money away attempting to provide a computer for hardware>not available to run decent and good software.>Fine............I'm still buying FS9 addons anyway.But this is starting to sound like an X-Plane versus MSFS debate which you'll often find on the X-Plane forums. Only there, it's FS9 that's the "game", and X-Plane is the true "simulator".I'd rather get off this game verus simulator crap, because it's all a crock! One thing for certain, is that none of these three game /simulators really fly, yet all three are capable simulating particular aspects of flight in different ways. Or, all three can be used purely for entertainment.To go down the road of believing or promoting it's "real" versus "game" is nothing but pure opinion, and has more to do with the users personal preferences.I'm known as a jerk at the X-Plane forums, because for years, I've always tried to push the fact that "FS9" can be much more than a game, because I know better! Now I find it ironic that I'm in the same position on an FS9 forum where I have to push the fact that FSX is much more than a "game" also! I personally think the whole concept is rather silly.L.Adamson

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I'm known as a jerk at the X-Plane forums, because for years, I've always tried to push the fact that "FS9" can be much more than a game, because I know better! Now I find it ironic that I'm in the same position on an FS9 forum where I have to push the fact that FSX is much more than a "game" also! I personally think the whole concept is rather silly.L.Adamson Well, now your known as the 'jerk' on here too, for contradicting yourself. ;-) FSX IS ONLY A GAME, FS9 is a great flight simulation.The reason I posted this thread is to keep FS9 alive. The trend now is to write software for and only FSX.Your statement saying you wil still be buying FS9 addons was all that was required. My point is, if software writers see how much we want FS9 to continue they will continue to write for us.With people like Level-D, PMDG and writers of the Expertise of 'Vauchez' around producing wonderful simulations for FS9, we need to support them or lose them to FSX, with all its teething troubles.

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>Well, now your known as the 'jerk' on here too, for>contradicting yourself.Devon,You've been around here long enough to know better than taking a potshot like that! I'm a little surprised. Although Larry might not always share your point of view he is just as entitled as you are to your own. Both of you and many others have been able to come up with good points and good counterpoints in many discussions.

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I've said it quite a few times now, but I am just barely getting acceptable performance with fs9 on my hardware once I throw add-ons at it. After I built my latest PC, I am finally at a point where I can turn off the fps counter and just fly. I am seriously thinking about staying one version of flightsim behind all the time at this point. I will be continuing to buy FS9 add-ons for quite some time.

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>Well, now your known as the 'jerk' on here too, for>contradicting yourself. ;-) FSX IS ONLY A GAME, FS9 is a great>flight simulation.Well, that was a bit unnecessary.

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Once it became apparent that I would not be moving on to FSX, I decided to indulge myself in some of the most tantalizing FS9 add-ons I had put off buying.I have a list of about two dozen products -- from Carenado, Overland, Digital Aviation, Lionheart, Dreamfleet, Horizon Simulation, etc. -- that I am slowly working my way through, making a new purchase every couple weeks.Anything brand new for FS9 that comes along from developers will be strongly considered.John

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FS9 had exactly the same bad frame rates upon launch like FSX and it took all of us 2-3 years to finally enjoy it. Just about a year ago, I saw a video of Level-D approach that someone created with his TrackIR setup and just wished that I could achieve fluid frame rates like that.It is add-ons like GE Pro, Ultimate Terrain, FSGenesis, that made us greedy and impatient for more, because for the first time VFR flying and expectional scenery has become possible in the MSFS series. Noone can argue that a default FSX setup beats the pants off a default FS9.I flew the FSX mission "Amsterdam - London" yesterday and was simply awe'd again by the FSX scenery upon takeoff. Sure, it was about 15fps, but still fluid enough for me to enjoy it.FSX will be great in about a year. Give it some time and keep the expectations real. It's the most realistic flight simulator for consumers so far and far away from being a game.Pat

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>>>Well, now your known as the 'jerk' on here too, for>>contradicting yourself.>>Devon,>>You've been around here long enough to know better than taking>a potshot like that! I'm a little surprised. Although Larry>might not always share your point of view he is just as>entitled as you are to your own. Both of you and many others>have been able to come up with good points and good>counterpoints in many discussions.My name is Dave, not Devon!I said that 'tongue in cheek' hence the smiley so please don't turn this into a slant.I trust Larry took it the right way, as I know that he enjoys a bit of a wind up occasionally, if Larry doesen't I am sorry. Lighten up Zane, its only a hobby?

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Sorry Dave,Guess I read it the wrong way and then messed your name up to boot. Back to the OT I'm using both on my computer which was pretty state of the art a year ago. I see FSX's potential but FS9 with all the add-ons does look/fly/operate/(insert almost any positive here) better given todays equipment which is to be expected with any new release. I think by late this year with DX10/Vista and ACEs patch for DX10 and some yet to be released hardware we will all see a big jump in the total experience of FSX but it will probably be another year till many of us will be able to justify the cost to upgrade just for FSX.

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>FS9 had exactly the same bad frame rates upon launch like FSXThats selective memory kicking in. FS9 had way less complaints about performance then FS-X now and if you check the posted hardware specs at that time most complaint came from people with older machines. Meanwhile FS-X performance complaints are still raining down on us. These complaints come from people with top of the line hardware runing with major features/improvements switched off. Some of those people are commercial add-on developers to so there is something more to it than the standard always complaining routine.>FSX will be great in about a year. Give it some time and keep>the expectations real. It's the most realistic flight>simulator for consumers so far and far away from being a>game.That will depent on the fact if the future patches will give us significant Dual Core support. If thats not supported FS-X is not future proof and the claim thats its scaled to run on future hardware will be false.FS9 rode out the single core Mhz race on the way profiting from beter, more efficient cores. At the end Dual Core became mainstream and we got some extra perfomance for the complicated add-ons that have their own EXE's.Current FS-X has one proces that benefits from a 2nd core (reading scenery if I'm correct). More then 2 cores won't give you any benefit. The current processor roadmaps give us multi cores and show little in the way of higher Mhz. FS-X in its current state is ill adapted to the future hardware. You won't see a FS9 like performance increase unless they make big time patches to FS-X core engine. With the FS-X product already sold extra programmer time eats away the profits for Microsoft so its very unlikely.The only chance I see is the trainsim product that uses the FS-X engine. If they improve the game enigine in trainsim and can port those changes back into FS-X we might have a shot at a real perfomance increase.In the mean time lets burn some candles and keep the faith.

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I agree. The lack of dual-core support has been the biggest blunder from Aces and cannot be excused. While dual-core doesn't mean performance * 2, it would certainly help to achieve better frame rates. Right now, I don't even want to think about flying a highly complex airliner in FSX.Let's just wait for SP1 and DX10.Pat

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Dave speaks wisdom again. Yessss! A great idea. Let's canvass developers to concentrate on the FS classic which is FS9. Great call Dave from Devon!

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Im sticking with FS9. Think about it guys, whats really new in FSX? What some new water? Some reflection on objects?Im waiting for FS11. Where i'll get new ATC voices, new clouds, that have shadows, new ATC, new animation at the lonely airports, ect...And im building a new PC, Dual Core, not to run FSX but FS9, so i can set my sliders to the max and have all my payware addons run 30fps+When software keeps getting delayed, thats a clue.Go FS9, we love ya!

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>Thats selective memory kicking in. FS9 had way less complaints>about performance then FS-X now and if you check the posted>hardware specs at that time most complaint came from people>with older machines. Meanwhile FS-X performance complaints are>still raining down on us. These complaints come from people>with top of the line hardware runing with major>features/improvements switched off.Yes, I can back this up. FPS in FS2004 were not bad at all if you had the hardware. I had what was probably close to top of the line at the time of the FS9 release. (3.0 ghz processor and a good video card). With all default scenery and aircraft, FS9 performed fairly well for the most part. Not that things were perfect, but I didn't really have any major performance problems until I started putting add-ons in.

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"FSX is a game and always will be."Funny, I was flying the Allegro in FS9 last night, which is the plane I fly in "real life". I was swept away by the breathtaking vistas as if I've never flown FS9 before, but in truth I've been flying FS9 since beta. It's a great product.And I think it's a product we should continue to promote, but promote on its merits, and not at the expense of FS-X or any other sim. Remember there's two types of politicians--the ones I loathe are those who preface everything they say with an attack on the other candidate. I said in a post a while back and I say it again, when we start putting down FS-X we sound like "FS-X wannabes" vs. people who want to celebrate a sim we enjoy. -John

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Here, Here!!! Long live FS9! I was absolutely floored when I checked the processes tab to see my second CPU core off on a coffee break. When I bought FS9, I was running a HyperThreading CPU that was essentially two virtual processors and FS9 made use of them. With FSX, we have taken a step backwards.Furthermore, I would hate to be a developer right now. Can you imagine trying to create a complex add-on for FSX? The stock install of FSX sucks so much performance, now you have to create an add-on that uses as little CPU as possible...or get ready to face the flack of unhappy customers who have had their framerates tank when they try to run your product!It's going to be an interesting year...ChuckCYXU

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John, we're not 'putting down' FSX, we're just asking software writers to carry on with FS9 and not give it up, in favour of FSX thinking that we don't want to use it anymore?At the moment, all I use FSX for is entertainment. I think the 'Missions' are great but for hardcore flying, it's FS9 all the way.

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