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Is there anything comparable to the PMDG and LvlD767 products that members would recommend for my next purchase? I was leaning towards a 707 or 727 but that was only an embryonic thought. Anything with a comparable level of sophistication to the afforementioned products would be fine, even large turboprops.Jon

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Also coming soon is the AirlinerXP by three talented developers Lou Betti(Dreamfleet), Jean Luc(Reality-XP) and Vauchez (Flight Scenery). This will be the Airbus A320. I can't wait. They are releasing the FS9 version first, followed by the FSX version. Amazing is the only word I can use to describe the screen shots and video previews. The forum is loaded with info as well. I hope this helps you in your quest. :)www.airlinerxp.com

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Oh yes, very nice, too! I have fs2crew for my PMDG products and I agree that the sim takes on a new level of realism when using this program. I just gotta have this ATR. Thanks for your recommendation.Jon

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Well, now I've done it! This is going to be another MUST HAVE! I've always liked the A320 and have flown in the aircraft as a passenger on a number of occasions. The screenshots are excellent and the videos are very good. I have bookmarked the site and will keep a weather eye on it for a release date. Wish they'd hurry up:-) Just an aside: Here we have a what? $14 million dollar aircraft. You'd think they could be a bit more creative with the instrument panels. A little walnut burr veneer, perhaps (ala Jaguar). At least some dangly dice hanging fom the overhead. Thanks, Jeff.Jon

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Jon,if you're leaning towards a B727, then take a look at the magnificent Dreamfleet B727 here:http://www.flight1.com/products.asp?product=ga727It was one of those releases with virtually no bugs if you can believe that. :) Highly recommended if you're into older style of flying. Steam gauges, highly detailed...Regards,Jure

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Get your credit card out, it's about to get a workout. Make sure that there is a fresh ink cartridge and lot's of paper to print out all those manuals and last, but not least, set aside a few months for training:-hmmm. Good selection of Biz-jets and Cirrus SR-22http://www.eaglesoftdg1.com/Very good older 737's and ERJ 145http://www.feelthere.com/2005/If you're into classic 747-200's you can't miss RFP.It's been around for years, but ALL systems are operational.http://secure.simmarket.com/product_info.p...roducts_id=1551This MD-80 has been getting great revues. All systems have been extensivly reproduced. No VC yet, but SP1 will include VC.http://www.flythemaddog.com/enjoy,Dave FisherCYYZP4 Prescott 3.2e 478p 800mhz 1mg CPUP4P800SE Asus Motherboard2.5 gig PC3200 DDR RAM 400MHZGeForce 7600GT/512 OC'dMaxtor 80 Gig ATA 133 HD x2WDC WD800 80 Gig HDAntec 500watt true powerSharp 19 inch LCD MonitorLogitech Extreme 3D pro Joystickhttp://fs2crew.com/linepilot.jpg

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My favorite one is the C-130 from CapSim. Fantastic aircraft, really, you won't regret. www.captainsim.com

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Second that.Look for the ATR in disk form on the internet - likely to be cheaper that way and easier to re-install if you ever need to.

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I second the Dream Fleet 727. Top notch and on par with PMDG and LVD quality (it's an old style bird with loads of hand flying involved and has the amazing RXP WX500 radar installed for free).I know the FT 737 gets a bad rap around here but I also love it to death.

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As the OP asked for sophistication comparable to the PMDG and LevelD products, I'd recommend:1. Maddog MD-80 - very good attention to systems detail in a round-dial/glass hybrid cockpit. Solid panel graphics.2. Dreamfleet 727 - best payware old iron around, with unbeatable flight dynamics and good (but not complete) systems detail. Panel graphics are a bit on the fuzzy/primitive side.3. Flight1 ATR - Best regional turboprop around...hybrid glass/round dial flight deck, good systems detail, stunning panel graphics.4. Aeroworx B200 KingAir - Great medium/light twin turboprop with all the subpanels modelled. Very good graphics.5. Eaglesoft SR-22 - Best glass single. Very good on a fast PC, something of a dog on lower-end machines. Has the Flight1 30-day money back guarantee, so you can decide for yourself if it's fast enough on your machine.And I disagree with a couple of the previous recommendations...1. From a systems perspective the CaptainSim C-130 is nowhere close to the sophistication level of these other products. It's fun to play with, but the beauty is skin deep if you value high fidelity systems simulation. And their customer service is low-grade Bolshevik fare.2. The AirlinerXP A320 is nothing but PR hype at this point. First advertised as coming in Q1 of 2007, now advertised as coming in Q2 of 2007 (end of Q2 is 11 days away as I write this), soon to be advertised as coming in Q3 of...RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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"2. The AirlinerXP A320 is nothing but PR hype at this point. First advertised as coming in Q1 of 2007, now advertised as coming in Q2 of 2007 (end of Q2 is 11 days away as I write this), soon to be advertised as coming in Q3 of..."It's true Bob, but I would give them some credit. Those are some very serious folks behind it with a proven track record, so I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it as just "PR hype". (no more than a certain MD-11 for instance)

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I'll be all about giving them credit...but only if and when credit is due. When FeelThere was bringing their A320 to market, they rushed out a web site for AirlinerXP, complete with claims of an imminent release in Q1. Then we saw banners stating it was "now in beta," later to see those go away when other members of the team mentioned that it was actually in a pre-beta phase. Then it was coming in Q2. Those sorts of gutter marketing tactics assume the lot of us to be a pretty stupid bunch. What I saw is some pretty serious folks allowing a marketing buffoon amongst them to soil their proven track records.I've already dismissed the PMDG MD-11, not as hyped (never ever heard Randazzo allude to a release date) but simply because it will only run on FSX. Well, OK, maybe I'll look at it later when I can upgrade to a 6 GHz Core 10 Extreme that can run FSX and a complex add-on at better than single-digit frame rates...RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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The MD-82 from Leonardo (flythemaddog.com) aka Maddog 2006 is a wonderful plane. I think it's one of the best out there by far. You get a Wx radar, terrain map, great sounds, and as much or more than Level-D or PMDG give you. The hand flying experience is by far the best in the Maddog too. Just sensitive to make corrections on final, but not so sensitive that you bound all over trying to make them. Don't be put off by the price, it's worth exery penny, plus the FS9 and FSX version are all in one package. All some are waiting for is the VC.

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Ok, here's the plan. Today I'm buying the Aeroworx B200 Kingair. Thanks, Bob for pointing me at it. Good price too. Thence onward to next payday (pensioner) for the ATR. It will be a month down the track when I get the Maddog and then the B727. This combination should give me an excellent choice of aircraft (plus my existing PMDG and LvlD767) for many different FS scenarios. I thank all respondents for their guidance and I have bookmarked all of the webpages so I can keep my eye on them for future developments. I do hope the A320 will come to market as good as the pre-release marketing claims. I'll be straight into it after a few reviews have surfaced. Thank you, everyone.Jon

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Those are all wonderful aircraft. The Maddog is my current favorite jet, and you'll enjoy it a lot. In fact I only have a few top quality aircraft installed and they keep me satisfied for now. These are my installed aircraft, nothing else except environment software/utilities:PMDG 737NG & 747 (Pax and Cargo)Level-D 767-300Leonardo MD-80Flight 1 ATR 72-500Digital Aviation Piper CheyenneDreamFleet Archer IIIAeroworx B200 King AirFlight 1 Piper MeridianCarenado Cessna U208G StationairRealAir Scout packageHave fun learning how to land the Aeroworx King Air :-lol Very realistic I'm sure, but the ground effect is 100% non-forgiving in that plane. It's the only plane I have that I can't land very well out of the gate. It took me a couple weeks to master.

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"2. The AirlinerXP A320 is nothing but PR hype at this point. First advertised as coming in Q1 of 2007, now advertised as coming in Q2 of 2007 (end of Q2 is 11 days away as I write this), soon to be advertised as coming in Q3 of..."There was actually a post made at the AXP forum nearly a month ago stating that they would not make the Q2 timeframe. Time to rename it "AirlinerXP A320 Forever". :-hahJ.C. Howell

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Well, I could'nt resist. I had a look at all of the aircraft it is my intention to purchase and was lamenting (a bit) that I could not extend my finances at this time to make my first aircraft the ATR 72-500. Then I came to a pleasant realisation that, instead of purchasing in the dreaded Euros, the price was in $US. BONUS! We Australians are getting A$0.84 cents/$US, so hang it all! My system is now sporting a shiny new ATR 72-500 in the FS9 stable. The Kingair, which I am just as enthusiastic about, will be next. Woo Hoo! Crank-up the printer. I'm on a new learning curve. I have not even tried to start this sucker yet. I don't want to break anything.Jon

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I printed the ATR manual at work - Don't tell anyone. Probably 400 pages. One of the largest to date. The ATR is so nice to hand fly though. You can turn without pitching all over, kinda like the newer Maddog. The King Air is a nice one in turns as well. Those three are probably the best to hand fly out of my collection.Overall the ATR is easy to operate. The AP command panel is a little different than most, so keep that in mind. It has some features that you really won't find on any other plane, but once you learn them, it's easy. The ATR once ready to takeoff requires very little intervention.

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ChrisYou've just inspired me to give atr another try. I didn't find it easy to operate, at least not on my single 17'' monitor without TrackIR. It has lot of panels and buttons, and I remember it was a nightmare looking at the complex cockpit through a 17'' window, having to press some hotpoint whenever I need to change the view/perspective.You don't mention your monitor setup in your signature. Do you have something which makes you ATR experience so good? i.e. multiple large monitors?So I will arm myself with more patience and try again. Also > @ Jon: I would like to hear your opinion about flying this bird as soon as you get some experience.(Sorry, didn't want to steal the thread, hope you don't mind)Elprim

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>2. The AirlinerXP A320 is nothing but PR hype at this point. >First advertised as coming in Q1 of 2007, now advertised as>coming in Q2 of 2007 (end of Q2 is 11 days away as I write>this), soon to be advertised as coming in Q3 of...>>Regards>>Bob Scott>ATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V>Santiago de ChileFunny guy Bob but you do not know everything :-lolAndr

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Chris,Yup, the manual is a doozy. 481 pages to be precise. I'll only be printing what I consider the most important pages BUT I will be reading all of it (a number of times, I suspect). It appears to be somewhat of a 'walkthrough' but it's going to take some time for me to understand the aircrafts intricacies. I owned the PMDG 747-400 for a week before I understood the FMC operation, although, that was because it was my first payware aircraft. Since then I've acquired the PMDG 737 800/900 and the LvlD 767. All great to fly but prop driven aircraft are a completely new experience. I point out too, that since buying these payware aircraft, they have taught me so much more about modern civil aviation. I have considerable respect for the people that fly these aircraft in the real world. Anyway, I'll keep you posted as to how I'm progressing.Jon

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Elprim,I'll be pleased to keep you posted on my progress but just as a matter of interest, I do all my flying with a single 19 inch monitor and not a very good one, at that (Mitsubishi Diamond View). My computer, which was a bit of a 'Beast' three years ago when I first built it, would'nt be consider much more than low end these days.SPECS:Asus P4P 800E-Deluxe MB2x512 mb sticks GEIL PC5000 RamNvidia Geforce fx5900xt OC'd to the max.2.8ghz Northwood core P4 OC'd to 3.35 ghz (totally stable for 3 years)2x WD 80gig PATA HDD's2x Maxtor 80gig SATA HDD's1x SoundBlaster Live Value soundcard.1x Antec Truepower 500 watt PSU1x Polo 735 Heatsink and fan.The weakest performer is the GPU but it's adequate. I don't know what type of system you have but in all probability it would be better than my old clunker and my FS experience is great! Multiple large monitors would be wonderful and I would like to have them but I don't consider them a necessity for my level of capability. With the ATR (and this is just an assumption as I'm new to it, too) scouring the Manual is mandatory, otherwise you may just as well fly one of the default aircraft or one of the better recognised freeware offerings viz: Meljet, IFDG, Posky. The ATR 72-500 I believe, will be a challenge, both in the learning and mastering of the aircraft. That's how I get my 'kicks'.Jon

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