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What has FSX done to our hobby ??

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I have not seen a good or even an exciting release in months except for imaginesims kmci for FS9. I have installed FSX 2xs and removed it 2xs since all my money and performance is with FS9.What gets me is that the frequency of new releases for FS9 has been greatly diminished since FSX came on board. I hope all you wonderful and talented developers know that we FS9 users are strong in numbers and that your efforts will not be wasted.My ThoughtsAndy

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Like it or not, the future in terms of the big time third party developers is moving on the 'FSX train'.I use FSX, and it is still a part of 'our hobby', just as FS5 was over 4, or 98 over 5....etc etc.

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FSX just sort of threw everyone off balance I guess. It's split the community and in some cases required developers like PMDG to go back and create two versions of MD-11 because FSX isn't viable with complex add-ons yet, delaying a product already a year late. However there are a few bright spots to keep in mind: VR Simulations's F/A-18 and AirSimmer's A320 series. Those will probably both be out before the year is up, the VR Hornet maybe even this month though I doubt it. I also mention AXP's A320 but I don't think they're going to be out for a long time, definitely not this year apparently. But it is going to be a huge leap forward. And of course PMDG's MD-11, but I'm not expecting that this year either. So it has been pretty crappy but there are still some bright spots out there.

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Yep, many aircraft are being designed for both, which is helping to slow down the process.

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Good post, Andy!I totally agree with you. I'm sure that all of us (FS9) users would buy an FS9 edition of 'Acceleration', if offered at the same $30.00.You know, pylon racing, a working carrier, etc.The main thing is that you are right about a strong and still vibrant FS9 base.Cheers,Mitch

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Andy,I hate to be a stick in the mud, but could you please comply with our rules and remove one of your sig images? We only allow one. Please adhere to our policies.

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>>>What has FSX done to our hobby ??Im my opinion nothing, but brought the hobby up a notch in visuals and what not, now was it brought out too soon, regarding to the hardware available, i have no comment on that...For me at least both sims have their own value, good and bad points.. and get enough use to enjoy both pretty satisfactory.

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Tom sorry did not know that was a policy since been posting a long time with both.Are u just upset with the Subject matter ???Not flaming here but come on I have never been repremanded by a mod on here and look how many years I have been a member and where I have posted.But I will comply !!!Andy

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Andy,No, absolutely not upset with topic. We don't go looking for things like images in the sig, but when we do come across them, we do let users know. Don't take it personally. Thanks for complying!

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Andy,You haven't seen FlyTampa's St. Maarten or Aerosoft's Heathrow or Cologne for FS9?There's been much more. Sounds like you've been away for a while.:-)

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As someone sticking with fs2004, I wish developers would keep working on fs9 add-ons, but I can't blame them one bit for moving on. Development times are long, and who knows what the market will be like by the time products are actually done. What is frustrating is when devs take products in progress and scrap them or delay them to work in the new sim. It is sad to think that fs2004 will only have a limited life. We can't keep away progress forever. Right now though, I have no urge to upgrade at all. I have fs2004 running quite smoothly now, and I have no wish to start the process over again.

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>Andy,>>You haven't seen FlyTampa's St. Maarten or Aerosoft's Heathrow>or Cologne for FS9?>>There's been much more. Sounds like you've been away for a>while.:-) I AM ON HERE DAILY ....I SHOULD OF BEEN MORE SPECIFIC STATING advanced a/c like a new and updated commercial crj,757,erj,BUS320 etc....Sceneries have slowed down as well but not like advanced aircraft.All I really see on the AVSIM headlines are FSX updates and New releases for FSX but very limited FS9 releases.I wish PMDG released say an advanced 757 to FSX and FS9 as separate releases and my bet FS9 would generate more revenue as of today. Andy

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It's all coming bro, don't worry, everyone's just got alot more work now with 2 sims and the rest of the SDK's and technical issues getting finalized.

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>Andy,>>You haven't seen FlyTampa's St. Maarten or Aerosoft's Heathrow>or Cologne for FS9?>>There's been much more. Sounds like you've been away for a>while.:-) And don't forget AES...Bob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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As much as I'd prefer to stick to one version for the sake of simplicity, I am basically compelled to develop for FS9 and FSX.I'm still amazed that I move significant numbers of FS9 product after all this time, but as has been stated before FS9 is still a very good sim.I personally wonder if some simmers are suffering from "FS Burnout" in the sense that FS2004 was so good, was around for so long and was truly a watershed version of FS... I wonder if people are maybe just a bit 'worn-out' after FS2004. Bryan

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Still a lot of great stuff to come for FS9.Air Simmers A320 shall be released first for FS9. Or Digital Aviations Fokker 70/100, which looks VERY promising. And freeware as well, e.g. the AFG Caravelle. And if I may use a shameless plug, also the Project Tupolev Tu-154M is not far from finished. Will be a big and very complete package :-)I'm neither bored with FS9 nor near a burnout. In contrary, with all sliders to the right, I have never enjoyed it more than now.Mike

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As for me it's a combination of being very satisfied with how FS9 works and looks and considering all the thousands of euros I've spent on add-ons for FS9. I do have an untweaked FSX installed but so far I'm not very impressed with what I've seen. So tweak it then you say... ;) Sooner or later I will of course move on to FSX (not until Squawkbox 4 is released though...) but I will definitely change the way I purchase add-ons. With FS9 I bought "everything" that was released which left most of them untouched on the harddrive once installed. Even excellent add-ons like the Dornier-27 from Digital Aviation. Too many add-ons with too little time...With FSX I will be more picky. I know roughly what I want to fly and in which areas so I won't bring out the credit card everytime I read "released" on the Avsim front page.

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Exactly. Too many add-ons aren't worth the money. On the other hand you find out which are bad and which not only by testing them out yourself - and that means to buy them first...Andreas

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As the "boss" is not real keen on my upgrading computers just for my "toy", I don't see myself moving to FSX at all. My 3 GHz machine is running FS9 just fine. I just discovered fseconomy, so that's adds some new enjoyment. Eagerly awaiting the Caravelle, etc. Why move??? I'm happy and having fun! And yes, I will spend some more money on FS9 addons... will probably purchase the Maddog in the near future. Reality is for me that my next sim version will be FSXI. That way I'll most likely have new hardware, VISTA/DX10 will have the bugs out, and maybe FSXI will finally do something about the AI all trying to land on top of each other ;-) Mike

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It's not an airliner but we've been developing our upcoming FS9 Piper Twin Comanche to be followed by an FSX version.At FSX release we pledged to continue developing for FS9 for at least 18 months then evaluate the effort/reward situation. It's quite a chore to develop for both versions but we may continue past the self imposed 18 months if it seems to be worthwhile.We suspect that other developers are in the same boat with regard to building for both sim versions and the best way for simmers to solidify FS9 development is to simply support the FS9 product line of their favorite developer.As we look across the landscape, it seems that the only way that developers will continue FS9 development is that it continues to be a worthwhile endevour.:-) Please note that I'm refering to commercial developers but would expect that freewae developers will continue on the FS9 platform:-)

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Like Mike, "I'm neither bored with FS9 nor near a burnout. In contrary, with all sliders to the right, I have never enjoyed it more than now"FS9 will keep me busy for years probably ...until something really interesting like a tileproxy sim comes along. Just imagine ..the GA pilots will drop FSX like a hot potato when that happens! :-lol....and FSX will become the Ship simulator. :)It is annoying that FSX slows down development for FS9 ...but there is nowt we can do about it.....apart from thank and encourage the freeware authors. :) And support the (good ...thats important!)payware FS9 developers with our wallets! :-hah

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No add ons? Upgrade to FSX? The decision is simple.When FSX or its successor, can smoothly run triple monitors/views for a 180

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Thank you all for your replies and as one of the developers here said that numbers will speak louder than words. as I am suspecting FS9 full sliders right is many of us,and will remain so. We are eager too keep this sim alive for the forseeable future.ThanksAndy

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>As much as I'd prefer to stick to one version for the sake of>simplicity, I am basically compelled to develop for FS9 and>FSX.>>I'm still amazed that I move significant numbers of FS9>product after all this time, but as has been stated before FS9>is still a very good sim.>>I personally wonder if some simmers are suffering from "FS>Burnout" in the sense that FS2004 was so good, was around for>so long and was truly a watershed version of FS... I wonder if>people are maybe just a bit 'worn-out' after FS2004. >>Bryan>I cannot disagree with you, Bryan. I too am selling respectable numbers of FS9 product (in fact, I'm amazed at the numbers!), and while that is all I have to sell (none of our aircraft is officially in FSX yet), if this had been any other move from one version of FS to another (Eg: FS7 to FS8) I would have already been in the newest version and not looked back.I cannot even say when we will stop developing for FS9.That being said, our failure to move into FSX has nothing to do with us not liking it, or not seeing a market for FSX as, indeed, there is a substantial market for FSX products.We just decided to make a strategic move towards the future (new gauge technology, and a move outside the FS "box"), and this has delayed our move into FSX.The sad fact is, between SP1 and now SP2, and then add to this DX10 and Vista, it has not been easy. As much as I like the team at MS, and respect and admire their work, and can understand what they are trying to accomplish and where they are going, this transition from FS9 to FSX has been the most difficult ever.It is what prompted us and our partner, Reality XP, to say "goodbye" to the MS gauge SDK, and move into our own playing field ("Gauge ExTreme, our new gauge framework. We just thought of the name for it after 9 months this past week!), which gives us much greater flexibility in what we can do, and how we can conform to new versions of FS.Make no mistake about it, we took a financial "hit" for doing this, but this time around we had to look long term, not short term. For those who may be wondering, it is that Airbus thing we are doing via Airliner XP which is creating the foundation for us moving forward.Even then, the transition is never as fast as we would like it to be.Delays, delays delays, both of a personal and technical nature. We're not happy about them, but we try to forge ahead.Otherwise, where I will disagree with you, and most cordially, is on the subject of there being some "FS Burnout". I do not see that.Yes, there's always burnout, boredom, folks leaving the hobby, etc. That always exists. However I do not see it being any different this time than during previous versions except for the fact that more than in the past we have many folks holding on to the previous version. I do not consider that to be burnout.It is a far greater number than with FS6 to FS7 (FS98 / FS2000).Then again, that was a whole different era when it came to add-on sales. It is not quite a fair comparison to FS9-FSX.There is a strong market for FSX, but in our case this time we decided to take a different tack, one that will not only address FSX but future versions.We decided to suffer the delays this time in order to look forward to the long term future of FS, while also creating technology that will help us to better compete / standout in an ever-more competitive marketplace.Regards,http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...R_FORUM_LOU.jpg

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