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Since I can't get the support at Wilco, I'll ask here. Twice now while inputting a flightplan from Logan to LGA I've had a CTD when I try to enter an airway/intersection (V157 HAARP).Any ideas?Dave FisherCYYZP4 Prescott 3.2e 478p 800mhz 1mg CPUP4P800SE Asus Motherboard2.5 gig PC3200 DDR RAM 400MHZGeForce 7600GT/512 OC'dMaxtor 80 Gig ATA 133 HD x2WDC WD800 80 Gig HDAntec 500watt true powerSharp 19 inch LCD MonitorSaitek AV8R-01 Joystickhttp://fs2crew.com/linepilot.jpg

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Absolutely none. I don't own the product, but have been seriously considering it, and following their forums. Apparently, Wilco's FMC isn't 100% compatible with Navdata. On their forum, there was a test configuration with LFPG and some specific departure (I believe it was some runway and NO SID), and all sims crashed. On every PC. As hard as it sounds, there is nothing you can do about it.

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Word Not Allowed I will do my one good deed for the day for you. DO NOT buy this product. Trust me and the hundreds others on here who think its junk. Wait for the Airsimmer or Airliner-XP. There ya go. I just saved you over 50 bucks.

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Yes, noted (and I'd been thinking about buying the latest WILCO Airbus A330-340 series, so thanks), but WHEN on earth will Airliner-XP ever be released?!?!!? It's taken forever !!JS

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>WHEN on earth>will Airliner-XP ever be released?!?!!?Nobody knows. Tomorrow, next year or never.Should they release it, I will buy it.In the meantime I enjoy flying FT airbuses.Best regards,Rafal

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Does this assessment that the Wilco/FT airbus series is "junk" also apply to the recently released Vol 2? I have been waiting a long time for an A340 that goes beyond the CLS lite offering.Bruceb

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According to many forum posts in various forums they didn't even solve one single bug of Vol 1 in the new release. You pay another time and wont get a anything but some new gauges, panel bitmaps are almost the same, they didn't even change the center post. A330 has old style CRT displays, A340-300 and -600 has the new displays, PW engines on the A330 aren't included. The exterior models are the worst I've ever seen, it's a shame to charge money for that. Save your money, maybe one day we will see a serious Airbus release for FS.Toby

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Bummer,I was hoping that my wait for an A340 to replace my aging PSS model might be over. I must sat that this whole Wilco/FT airbus controversy had largely passed me by but the depth of feeling I'm now coming across in various threads is something to behold. Its a wonder they are still in business!Bruceb

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Have both Volumes and as longs as I follow the proper procedures I have zero issues. What a shame some are having trouble, I am lucky I guess.

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Andrew:I downloaded the PDF manual for the A330-340 and am impressed. It looks great.I had the Wilco 777 but was not that impressed with it visually and the VC was so-so. I fly exclusively in the VC because of my triple monitor set-up.Does the A330-340 work nicely? Does the VC look good and is it totally functional? How is the flight model?Appreciate any further info you care to post. Thanks!JS

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Hi Andrew. Do not take this as an insult but there is no way on this green earth you can not be getting the same bugs as everyone else. These are not isolated bugs. they happen to everyone. I am having the feeling you just dont know what to look for. Unless you know the airbus systems well I can see a person overlooking the bugs. In my professionl pilot opinion this addon rates a 3/10. NOW if you factor into account the price they DARE ask I would rate it a 1/10

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Monsoon:If you can give an example or two, what kinds of bugs do you refer to? JS

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well it has been a while since i "flew" it because i parked it for good but a quick one would be the errors with navdata. i find the mcdu does a crummy job in the descent profile. i know that one isnt an isolated incident either. jeez how many people had problems with the autopilot/autothrottle. countless numbers. not to mention the biggest thing that annoyed me the most is the blatent LIES about the features that were advertised and not modelled.

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That is a serious statement. So in essence you feel that they misrepresented the product as well as made it defective?JS

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Believe me I do not take anything as an insult because I am having a great time with it. I will freely admit I dont calculate decent profiles as they are supposed to be. (I am a firefighter and not a pilot and I have enough to worry about) I takeoff climb to cruise I land at the proper airport and chosen runway. I have never crashed, so as far as I am concerned it works fine. My biggest concerns are planning a route with the use of Flightaware or some other flight planner and I have a good time. So yeah to me it's bug free. I believe I have a different attitude than most and if things are a little off but I can still fly the sim why worry, I am enjoying myself.

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One other comment for JSACKS I am not much of a VC simmer I just use it to look out the window, I cant tell you if it's any good. I couldnt tell you if the PMDG 747 is any good and I have flown that all over the sim world several times.:(

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I understand your comments--maybe we should all care a little less about how perfect (or imperfect) these things are!Thanks again.JS

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Honestly, I think too many people are expecting these sims to be sufficient to achieve a type-rating, and spend too much time dreaming about that famous call in the aircraft "if there is a pilot present, please make yourself known..." - all for 30 bucks or whatever!David

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Hey David. I am a stickler when it comes to these things. As for making aware what i do for a living I do so just to place credentials. If I was going to but a race car and knew that Michael Andretti said such and such as car is top of the line I would tend to believe him. Same thing. I program these fms's all day long at my job and if I say the decent predictions suck wouldn't you assume I kinda know what I am talking about. thats all. Not trying to show off or anything. As for making these sims as real as possible I dont complain they arent real level D quality but when PMDG or LDS can do a fantastic job at recreating these planes why should wilco be able to ESPECIALLY when they are charging the same price. I dont expect lif like quality but I do expect industry standard and PMDG, Level D, Dreamfleet have all set the bar. I expect companies that want the same price to at least meet the same quality as the stated companies. Dont you agree?

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True enough, but don't try to SELL it as such either, as mentioned above the did some flase advertising. Now, I do own Vol.1 and I must admit I'm not crazy about "on the buses" anyway, so I fly boeings almost 100% of the time. My opinion does not count on this subject.I do fully enjoy thier PIC 737 series and I know alot of people trashed that like heck too. It's not PMDG good and I agree that the NAV data is sub par, more so when flying in Euroland. It also has it's "bugs" (rapid speed bleed and decent when deploying speedbrakes and the way it tracks a waypoint turning left first then turing right).But overall it (FT737) is a great add-on IMO. And I have a blast flying it and learned to work around the annoying things.

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Monsoon, I don't doubt you for a second - I guess I just don't let it upset me too much. I "pilot" 300m ships for a living, so I guess most other things tend not to worry me too much.David :)

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>well it has been a while since i "flew" it because i parked>it for good but a quick one would be the errors with navdata.>i find the mcdu does a crummy job in the descent profile. i>know that one isnt an isolated incident either. jeez how many>people had problems with the autopilot/autothrottle. countless>numbers. not to mention the biggest thing that annoyed me the>most is the blatent LIES about the features that were>advertised and not modelled.Well.. I've never had major problems with either VOL.1 or the new VOL.2... I'm a "real-world" pilot (thought not as a career) with over 3000 hrs in large turbine aircraft and while the FT Airbus aren't dead-on accurate, they do provide a good experience! As for the TOD miscalculations - I've never had a big problem with them... if you program the route properly, the TOD calculation works out to be just right.. but if you add or delete waypoints during the flight, then the TOD isn't usually corrected by the FMGC.. but knowing this, I manually calculate the TOD and then follow my calculation - no problem! It's a bug, but one that I can live with!The only "issue" that has caused me any frustration is the failure of the FMGC to obey ALT restrictions in the climb and descent.. but again.. it's no big deal for me to manually level the aircraft at the restricted altitude. Again.. it's a bug, but I live with it!I've merged both the 2D and VC panels successfully with other aircraft models (I don't particularly care for the inaccuracies of the FT visual models) and they work beautifully - I've merged the 330-200, 330-300, 340-300 and 340-600 to the CLS models and the A320 to the Overland models and now have the best of all worlds!Do I think that these aircraft are perfect? NO! But when used properly, they seem to work very well. Do I think Wilco made blatant lies? No.. though they aren't completely accurate in their descriptions. DO I feel like I got ripped-off with these purchases? NO!Again... I don't think these are up to the quality of realism as PMDG or Level-D... but I use them and like them! (bugs and all!)In the meantime, I'll happily use them until Airsimmer or AirlinerXP release their versions!-Alex

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