Sign in to follow this  
Mike T

Simulate THIS!

Recommended Posts

How many times do we like to fly that hairy approach with nasty crosswinds and driving rain? Well, the question is can YOU do it in real life? http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/03/03...lane/index.htmlHe couldn't! :-lolEDIT: Late breaking news: Lufthansa maintenance teams report that both pilot's seat cushions were mysteriously missing. Later, both pilots complained of pain in their lower bodies and both seat cushions were found and removed from the pilot's lower intestine via emergency surgery. Both pilots are recovering and resting comfortably (on their stomachs) :-lolRegards,Mike T.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Help AVSIM continue to serve you!
Please donate today!

Looks like both wings scraped, left first and then the right. I would say he tried to straighten out too soon, before his main gear touched down. Helluva crosswind though!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think he did a pretty #### good job... hats of to the guys dont have the option to reset the flight...rob

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How would you like to be a passenger on that flight?Can just imagine....Captain: 'ooops, sorry bout that, we are going to circle and try that again'...:D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

first - WOWI think the pilot kicked the rudder at about the right time. But that BIG left bank screwed up everything. I doubt the pilot did it. It could be the strong xwind lifting up the right wing once the relative wind changed with that rudder input.Oh well if there is one thing in life that's easier said than done that would be xwind landing. :)Jason

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You can see a gust of wind, right before he tries to touch down. Knocked the plane off it's track, he should have went around at that point I think.Not that I have never done worse in flight simulator.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

>first - WOW>>I think the pilot kicked the rudder at about the right time.>But that BIG left bank screwed up everything. I doubt the>pilot did it. It could be the strong xwind lifting up the>right wing once the relative wind changed with that rudder>input....Could be, I suppose. But isn't the left bank, as you say, a result of the pilot taking away the crab/ferry angle that he had maintained right until then? I mean the crab/ferry angle was countering the strong crosswing forces pretty well until he straightened out. Then, there was nothing countering the strong wind anymore and the forces of the wind began to effect the plane in other ways, such as lifting the winward wing. In other footage, I've seen the pilot maintain an impressive crab/ferry angle a great distance down the runway after touchdown to continue counteract the crosswind. I'm no pilot or an expert by any stretch, so my comments are meant as a learning/discussion point only.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

When you straighten out the crab angle you are supposed to bank into the wind, which in this case should have been a right bank. That's why I thought it was the wind not the pilot. Yes I've seen footages of airlines touching down with significant crab angles. I believe their landing gears are designed to take that within the max demonstrated xwind components. Another reason I think liners land crabed is that their wings are so low and so long they can't bank much to counter xwind, otherwise you will get what's in the video on your wing tip or engine.>>Could be, I suppose. But isn't the left bank, as you say, a>result of the pilot taking away the crab/ferry angle that he>had maintained right until then? I mean the crab/ferry angle>was countering the strong crosswing forces pretty well until>he straightened out. Then, there was nothing countering the>strong wind anymore and the forces of the wind began to effect>the plane in other ways, such as lifting the winward wing. In>other footage, I've seen the pilot maintain an impressive>crab/ferry angle a great distance down the runway after>touchdown to continue counteract the crosswind. I'm no pilot>or an expert by any stretch, so my comments are meant as a>learning/discussion point only.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Looks like he had a joystick calibration problem. :)Thanks for sharing.Dave Vega

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Or maybe he had the Wilco software installed :) ... sorry guys I dont mind the Wilco bus too much after the latest patches

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I actually was trying to last night because Hamburg is my home town, and I got challenged to do it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's the word "try" that worries you isn't it?Once suffered an aborted take-off on a BA flight from Heathrow.We parked on a taxi way and the pilot came on to say "we hard a warning light there, so we are just going to sit here a moment and see if we can work out what it means"I had visions of a very dusty handbook being pulled out from under the co-pilot's seat.A few minutes later "Well, we THINK we are OK and are going to go back to the runway and TRY again".After that, perfect flight!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

>It's the word "try" that worries you isn't it?I agree, knowledge is the remedy to anxiety. On a Lufthansa flight just before take-off the pilot announced that there was a problem with the flaps and that they were going to "try" to figure it out. After 15 minutes we were airborne, my friend next to me was very uncomfortable during the entire 1 hour 30 minute flight. I however was sure that everything was o.k since our flight wasn't cancelled in the first place.The point is, I knew back then what I know now, these pilots esp. in major airlines undergo serious training. The dude in command in this video knows exactly what he's doing, he must have done it before not to mention harsher simulation tests. However mother nature can be full of suprises, here as a last minute gust.Hats off to all the pilots to whom I have enormous respect after simming and trying to land in similar conditions. I would also like to "rendre hommage" to the folks who avoided a catastrophy by landing without engines at Heathrow.BTW, concerning the latest news Mike has given to us, does anybody know the condition of the cushions, I bet Lufthansa will want them back:-lol Thanks for the link and humour.regards

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Though weird thing is, Activesky has nothing extraordinary saved. If you load any time between 11 and 14h UTC, and LH44 was actually scheduled to land at 12:20 or 12:30 (both are scheduled as LH44, according to Lufthansa timetable), you will see mostly winds up to 30knots. Though reported winds go up to 250km/h. What's with that, anyone know why?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this