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Flytampa is doing Kai-Tak!

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Hmmmmm. Looks very good indeed but it's a strange choice and a little disappointing.Why choose Kai Tak when there is a perfectly good freeware version already available? Also, there is a very good freeware VHHH available too.There are so many other major airports that are lacking high quality versions for FS9.... KJFK, KDFW, CYVR, MMMX, OBBI, WSSS, YSSY, NZAA, ZBAA...And those are just the ones I can think of right now!

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KJFK and KDFW are both expected to be released by FSDreamTeam.

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It looks nice, no doubt about it, but scenery designers are making a lot of odd choices lately.ImagineSim first picks airports that have freeware releases coming, now it has decided to do KIAD. Which has a reasonable incartion from BluePrint, okay, ImagineSim will do a better job, but still.BluePrint mentioned CYYZ among future projects, a very nice freeware of it exists already. And KORD is currently under development?! Um... They also mention other more interesting airports though, such as KMCO.The German Airports Team re-releases EDDF?! With - in my humble opinion - very little change.Why are so many airports ignored? Just to name a few I'd like to see, Salt Lake City, Vancouver, Albuquerque. And what about some Irish airports?

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I'm Sorry to say but frankly speaking I'm also disappointed.Not that it is my business what FlyTampa team chosses to make.That is only their decision and it is clear to me.Plus of course the screenshots look superb, as it always is with FT.But the question is why should I buy it if I have and enjoy the magnificent freeware 9Dragons?I supposed FlyTampa were working on something and deep in my heart I expected something that we all need since no-one has made it so far.ZBAA, CYVR, NZAA were mentioned above plus there are more.Don't misunderstand me. I love and respect FlyTampa and have bought a few of their sceneries which I enjoy until today. But that choice surprised me a lot.And I'm sorry about the 9Dragons team who made such an awsome job.Best regards,Rafal

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The city looks incredible! But this is one Fly Tampa scenery I will not be getting. Kai Tak is closed in real life and it will stay closed in my sim, plus I would not get any AI planes at the airport (I don't want to go through the hassle of moving my AI from VHHH to VHHX). I wonder if they would consider selling just the city without the airport?

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Of course FlyTampa is free to create whatever they believe will sell, but if their marketing guys based their descision upon the number of simmers who have downloaded and installed the incredible 9Dragons version - and are tickled to death with it - then I submit they have mis-read the market potential.Many simmers have Retro setups of FS2004 in addition to the default setup and enjoy all the 9Dragons version of Kai-Tak has to offer.It is also possible to have Thomas Kwong's great enhancement of the new Airport operational with 9Dragons Kai-Tak at the same time so this another way to enjoy the new along side the old.In my humble opinion, Clutch Cargo and the 9Dragons team have nothing to fear from a release of a FlyTampa version.

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Awesome as always from FT, and HK looks amazing. Really do think they should have paired it with VHHH though. Like others I'm just not into retro - I'm going to pass too.regardsMark

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I, for one, am happy, more than happy, actually. With all the respect I have for the great work that Clutch and the 9Dragons team have done, I will definitely be getting this one. Kai Tak at FlyTampa standards and the good old RFP 742 (which is being re-done and re-dressed, by the way)? It just doesn't get any better than this! For me, at least. :)Well done, FlyTampa, well done indeed!!! Thanks! :)Regards,Jure

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Different strokes for different folks and it is your choice of course, but I must say that if you have never tried the "checkerboard" approach into the old Kai-tak, you are missing one of the most exciting and challenging aspects of flying.Even watching AI aircraft negotiate this hair raisng approach is a treat.

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Sorry guys, I have to disagree with those of you who say that this Kai Tak scenery is redundant because of Project 9 Dragons.My VHHH scenery is OK, Project 9 Dragons is nice in its own right, but from the screenshots, this scenery by FlyTampa is in a different league altogether.This Kai Tak looks AMAZING. Congrats to FT for doing this.Thomas Kwong

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Guys.... You will simply be AMAZED with this scenery, and I mean a jaw-dropping WoW factor!. While I appreciate all the nice comments about 9Dragons (and we'll take all we can get!), if you are a true Kai Tak fan or a fan of difficult approaches this will have to be on your 'must have' list.And as far as I can tell there is no problem running VHHH with it too.All I can say is:"The King is dead... Long live the King!" ;)

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Looks beautiful, but I wonder about frame rates with the detail to the airport AND the city. 9Dragons runs fine for me, and I may have to prefer to keep it until I get a new machine, but this is great to see a fully-detailed payware Hong Kong/Kai Tak for FS9 (and I'm sure the folks with FSX are even more excited as they will soon have Kai Tak and the city in their sims too). I have a Sony desktop from December 2001 which works great with most stuff, but can't quite handle some of the newest software. Also, the graphics card is dated, but still works well enough for my purposes, and actually makes really nice displays of FS9, so I can't complain too much...Tim

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I think for Thomas and Clutch to make the comments they made speak wonders for the FT team. I really do not think there is a higher compliment than having it come from the individuals and teams that gave us VHHH One of my favorite BTW, love the non-stop from KEWR and the amazing 9Dragons rendition of KT.Seriously I do not need to hear, read or see another thing on KT from FT, I am buying it hands down based on those that are recommending it!!!It almost sounds like FT have been in touch with Thomas and 9 Dragons which sounds like an incredibly respectable thing to do...Just my .02,-PPrimary RigLiquid CooledIntel C2D E8500 468X9.5 @ 4.45Asus Maximus Extreme2 gigs OCZ Reaper DDR3 @1400Dual OC'd XFX 8800GTX @ 2 gigs24 inch Widescreen LCD 16XAA/16XAFDual 19 inch LCD'sRaid-0+1PCPower and Cooling 1k Quad SLIhttp://home.comcast.net/~psolk/3monitorsa.htmlBackup RigAMD 4000 San Diego @ 2.72 Gigs Kingston Corsair XMS CL2XFX 7900 GTX Raid-0psolk.jpg

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Wow!Shows how Clutch and Thomas are a class act gang for giving the thumbs up to the FT team when their own amazing work is free for the taking.I often wondered why TK's update to VHHH never cam about?!?!? The last screen shots way back when looked awesome, this could expalin it.BTW, anything flytampa does is on my buy list.

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Very nice but not something I would have produced esp when a very nice freeware one is available.IMHO with this amount of detail FlyTampa could have made 1 of two projects that would have sold a boat load.1. Las Vegas scenery (airport, the strip and the surrounding area)and2. Hawaiian Islands project all of the major airports in Hawaii plus some nice area scenery.John

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Am I missing something here?Unless I just did not spot it at the Fly Tampa site, the only thing I saw were the screenshots in the forum.They are superb shots, but I saw no mention of how hard this will be on frame rates (i.e. will it run acceptably on an "average" machine), will it come with a great manual (Clutch Cargo and the 9Dragons team has set the bar very high in that regard), will AI correctly make the "checkboard" approach and what the final price will be.Clutch was very gracious with his comments about the project in another post but it seems to me there are just too many unanswered questions for everyone to be getting so excited - at least at this point.Just an observation.

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Interesting choice...but with so many existing major airports still missing, so much work for an airport that doesn't exist anymore? Especially with 9Dragons having VHHX for free? I guess I would have considered buying it for the Hong Kong scenery if it were VHHH with the ability to turn off VHHX, but even so, since VHHH is so far away from downtown Hong Kong, you don't really see much of it anyway.No doubt it looks wonderful, but I'm just not into closed airports enough to pay money for it.Regards,Mike T.

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Well i dont know how you guys run ft senery on your rigs as i have a couple of them st Maarten which shimmered like mad until the mip fix, i have just got seatle which flashes, shimmers and is unusable, i think there senery is fantastic and whish i new why it wont work on my rig,so i am greatful for freeware senery like 9 dragons ect,yes there are a lot of airports not done, Ireland apart for some old 2002 senery is a ms wasteland and am sure some company could make a good profit.good luck to you all with ft kia tak.Richardcore2duo66002gig ramgxt7950 1gigmsi965neo

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Shows how Clutch and Thomas are a class act gang for giving the thumbs up to the FT team when their own amazing work is free for the taking. I totally agree, it is very commendable that they say such a thing but I also have to say their scenery is excellent for me and I require nothing else for that part of the world...thanks guys :)But those screenshots of FTs work do look cool as well I have to admit. The only thing that kinda gets in the way are those....fir trees! But I guess they will be removed as development progresses :)

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>Very nice but not something I would have produced esp when a>very nice freeware one is available.>>IMHO with this amount of detail FlyTampa could have made 1 of>two projects that would have sold a boat load.>>1. Las Vegas scenery (airport, the strip and the surrounding>area)>>and>>2. Hawaiian Islands project all of the major airports in>Hawaii plus some nice area scenery.>>JohnI like that idea alot! Here is two more..........1.Washington DC with one or both airports plus the city with all the monuments.2.Sydney Australia and the city. (the city is pretty close to the airport)

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Different strokes indeed, our diversity never ceases to amaze me - how all our minds customize the sim to enhance our own illusion :) Me? if an airport is closed, or airline defunct, or aircraft type no longer flown by an airline, etc - out they go. No matter how cool or awesome, long as I'm aware of it I just don't like seeing the nonexistent in my fs world. Shockingly that includes even an FT level rendition of the incredible, legendary Kai Tak. Plus, the way I fly, always from last airport, I'd hardly ever get there anyway - can count on one hand the flights to China in I don't know how many years. regards,Mark

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I'll be at the front of the queue for this. I was in the beta for 9D and it's an amazing piece of work which Marcus is proud of and rightly should be. His scenery will still be the worthy freeware option for those who just don't want to shell out for FlyTampa.But those of us who strive for the ultimate experience in FS will not pass this up. The approach, the airport, closed or not, and the city of Hong Kong is still the holy grail of Simmers. It doesn't have to be closed in the pretend world. There is no other thing in FS that comes remotely close to Kai Tak and the 13 approach and I think it's fantastic that FT do their best work on this. We had nothing for years at Kai Tak now two in 6 months. Each to their own though, you can shuttle the A320 back and forth in the Midwest as long as you want. They will do a big US airport next I am sure so have some patience and chill out :-) This represents FT's first airport in Asia and lets hope they release another in the region soon.

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First I would like to say that Kai Tak is the single most sought after airport of all airports in FS9/FSX. With that said it appears some of you on this thread have missed the message in the pictures I see on FT's web site. The reason why you are missing the message is because this is the FS2004 forum where many of you do not have FSX or if you do you don't use it.If you have FSX loaded then Go To Kai Tak (which is in FSX) and look around at Kowloon, Hong Kong and Kai Tak. Now go back and look at the FSX pictures on FT's web site. The entire city of Hong Kong and Kowloon have been completely reconstructed and the FSX Kai Tak airport I see in the pictures has never been accomplished to date by any Scenery Designer. The airport I am looking at is not your typical FSX SP2 airport starting with the default runway textures that everyone keeps saying they are forced to use for FSX.When I look at the pictures the title to this post should be 'FlyTampa is doing Kai Tak for FSX with a alternative option for FS2004!' There are plenty of Kai Tak's for FS2004 including the one Thomas did back during FS2000 that has been updated to fit into FS2002 /FS2004.In fact a quick search shows many versions of Kai Tak for FS2004Kai Tak 2000 V3 by Thomas Kwong back in FS2000 with 27,745 downloads started it all off Roger Mole used Thomas Kwong's base Kai Tak FS2000 V3 to enhance and activate both versions of FS2002 and FS2004.Kai Tak Airport, another one of Thomas Kwong's originals done by Gianfranco Corrias.Hong Kong 2004 from Flightsoft Kai Tak made with Lago's FSE The original Civil Kaitak Airport created from the Japanese airfield constructed during WWII by Alex NicolsonKaiTak 1998 (Jim Vile)KaiTak 1963 (Tom Gibson)Kai Tak 9Dragons (Marcus Thompson)With all these available versions of FS2004 Kai Tak how many versions of Kai Tak are there for FSX? ONE!I supported Marcus when he released 9Dragons and told as many as I could (20,039 downloads) to remove my KaiTak 1998 and use his. My Kai Tak could not hold a candle to the work Marcus did for 2 years on his version. I will tell those that purchase FlyTampa's FSX version (based on the pictures I see) to delete my version of FSX Kai Tak and go buy Martin's version.Since this is the FS2004 forum and those that post here are probably still using FS2004 then you have a choice. Some of us that purchase FlyTampa's FSX version may also want to keep our 9Dragons FS2004 Version. That way we get 2 flavors of very highend scenery of Kai Tak.

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I am surprised at your enthusiasm for this scenery Marcus considering the awesome job the 9 Dragons team did both in terms of quality and performance.I had originally intended to ignore the Flytampa Kai Tak but with your enthusiasm for it I guess I will take a look.The screen shots look good (they should do for payware) but what is performance like?I will only buy if the quality of sceenry is head and shoulders above the 9 Dragons offering and performance is equal to, or better.It is a shame that this was not released ages ago. I remember the Kai Tak thread started a long while ago when 'Clutch' first hinted that he was looking to do Kai Tak. At that time FlyTampa were asking for simmers ideas for the next airport they should 'do' and many of us hammered their forums begging them to do Kai Tak but there was a negative response.Of course your enthusiasm may be because the 9 Dragons team had some input into the Flytampa Kai Tak ;-)If the latter is the case lets us know Marcus, if you can, because I'm sure a lot of us would buy it so you could reap some reward for the magnificent 9 Dragons scenery.

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