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Just another observation from using W7 for flight sim'ing and general computing....Since switching over from Vista 64 bit Ultimate to W7 64 bit Ultimate, I have observed the following and have made adjustments to my system as follows:1. With using Vista, and using either FSUIPC or FSPassenger's menu, the screen would go black in full window mode. I could only recover with pressing ESC. With W7, this has gone away. Accessing ANY menus are working as they always did under XP Pro. No longer any need to go to windowed mode to see the menu. Good deal!2. The system is running resources much better and leaner than with having used Vista. Things get opened lightning fast. One benefit right away, is that I had my i7-975 running (overclocked to 4.1 GHz) to get a constant 30 FPS locked down by the FPS Limiter Software. I have found by much experiment, and pleasure...that I can now run my i7-975 CPU at the STOCK settings from Dell as I received it, and still maintain all the same performance I had, when having overclocked the snot out of it. :) This is no longer necessary to achieve a smooth 30 FPS in FSX and my locked 60 FPS in FS9.75. This was NOT POSSIBLE under Vista 64 bit. This is not in the realm of Placebo Effect. This is hard tack system-level observation.I'll let others keep their thoughts that there is no true upgrade-worth benefit to going from either XP 64 bit, or Vista 64 bit. I say there is one heck of a difference. W7 ultimate is what Microsoft wanted Vista to be from day one. This is their latest O.S. with modern features available. I have in a nutshell;1. Better performance, SYSTEM WIDE!2. Visuals as a result of running driver suite W7 195.62 and the latest nHancer has never been better, ever! I have also made sure that my monitor's color.icm file is still my Samsung B245 wide screen, and not W7's default that overrides your previous .icm file when first installed. This is important to do. Once you switch back to your manufacturer's .icm color temp file, it will stay there until you, not the O.S. changes anything.So, in retrospect, I have a much faster, more stable system. I have fabulous visuals, with trees and auto-gen rock solid with no jitter or blurriness. I have been able to drop my CPU from overclock, to the Dell standard settings, with the great benefit of system longevity back, and cool stock running temperatures. All this was NOT possible under my Vista 64 bit O.S. So...are there tangible results? A BLIND MAN would be able to see 'em.In closing, as a result of having compared Vista 64 bit Ultimate to my current W7 Ultimate, I absolutely endorse UPGRADING to the latest O.S. from Microsoft. It is a polished, fast, and rock-solid O.S. I endorse this O.S. wholeheartedly.Post Edit: I am in a flight using Tasmania-AU BLUE, and since having moved over to W7, FPS Lock Limiter Software (you know the one, lol) can hardly keep the FPS LOCKED at 30 fps where it is set. It keeps wanted to break out to the mid 40's. It will now stay TRYING to keep it at 30...but is working very hard to do that. It is like the FPS wants to soar on it's own. I like using the lock-down, in fact needed it under Vista, but perhaps with a little bit slow-as-I-go fooling around, I will finish with it entirely. All this now with my CPU at stock speed! Later.....Cheers!

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SOM at it again...... :( Sorry Mitch, I couldn't resist.
Yah - he's doing it again! He rubbed my nose in it 'till I had to go and spend! Gee thanks, Mitch.. my wife loves you.. :( I hafta say, though - the i7 is the magic bullet. Most sliders are now max and the sim performs as (I guess) Microsoft intended. A spin from 10k with a Pitts will have you reaching for the bag. One thing I found, though: Drivers. I'm gettin' on in years, so I often run Call of Duty - Modern Warfare - you know - to keep the adrenaline flowing... - well going to the 195 driver pushes the 1280 x 1024 screen into the left monitor: it will no longer sit in the centre one. CoD's default is 1024 x 768, and it won't even start unless you have the right resolution set. I went back to 191.07 and she's fine again. Strange. Same with Stronghold 2.

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My performance is just as good with Vista64. No need for me to spend $hundreds more for another OS.So Mitch, how many more of these testimonial threads on Uncle Bills Windows 7 Magic Potion and Elixir are you gonna start?RegardsBob ScottColonel, USAF (ret)ATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VColorado Springs, CO

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I've heard of people having problems adding scenery to the scenery library under W7. Have you been able to do this?
I have read about that but there is a fix that can be found in the Windows 7 forum. I always add scenery manually to the scenery.cfg so I don't know what the problem is or what the fix is.UI do like the way my system runs in general and I am satisfied with my upgrade but it is hard for me to compare considering I went from a single core cpu on XP32 to my current system.I and some other people are having sound issues - exterior sounds bleeding in to the cockpit after cycling through views and sound levels for each wav file seem to be off from what the author intended. Other that that, things seems to be running well.

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Just another observation from using W7 for flight sim'ing and general computing....Since switching over from Vista 64 bit Ultimate to W7 64 bit Ultimate, I have observed the following and have made adjustments to my system as follows:1. With using Vista, and using either FSUIPC or FSPassenger's menu, the screen would go black in full window mode. I could only recover with pressing ESC. With W7, this has gone away. Accessing ANY menus are working as they always did under XP Pro. No longer any need to go to windowed mode to see the menu. Good deal!2. The system is running resources much better and leaner than with having used Vista. Things get opened lightning fast. One benefit right away, is that I had my i7-975 running (overclocked to 4.1 GHz) to get a constant 30 FPS locked down by the FPS Limiter Software. I have found by much experiment, and pleasure...that I can now run my i7-975 CPU at the STOCK settings from Dell as I received it, and still maintain all the same performance I had, when having overclocked the snot out of it. :) This is no longer necessary to achieve a smooth 30 FPS in FSX and my locked 60 FPS in FS9.75. This was NOT POSSIBLE under Vista 64 bit. This is not in the realm of Placebo Effect. This is hard tack system-level observation.I'll let others keep their thoughts that there is no true upgrade-worth benefit to going from either XP 64 bit, or Vista 64 bit. I say there is one heck of a difference. W7 ultimate is what Microsoft wanted Vista to be from day one. This is their latest O.S. with modern features available. I have in a nutshell;1. Better performance, SYSTEM WIDE!2. Visuals as a result of running driver suite W7 195.62 and the latest nHancer has never been better, ever! I have also made sure that my monitor's color.icm file is still my Samsung B245 wide screen, and not W7's default that overrides your previous .icm file when first installed. This is important to do. Once you switch back to your manufacturer's .icm color temp file, it will stay there until you, not the O.S. changes anything.So, in retrospect, I have a much faster, more stable system. I have fabulous visuals, with trees and auto-gen rock solid with no jitter or blurriness. I have been able to drop my CPU from overclock, to the Dell standard settings, with the great benefit of system longevity back, and cool stock running temperatures. All this was NOT possible under my Vista 64 bit O.S. So...are there tangible results? A BLIND MAN would be able to see 'em.In closing, as a result of having compared Vista 64 bit Ultimate to my current W7 Ultimate, I absolutely endorse UPGRADING to the latest O.S. from Microsoft. It is a polished, fast, and rock-solid O.S. I endorse this O.S. wholeheartedly.Post Edit: I am in a flight using Tasmania-AU BLUE, and since having moved over to W7, FPS Lock Limiter Software (you know the one, lol) can hardly keep the FPS LOCKED at 30 fps where it is set. It keeps wanted to break out to the mid 40's. It will now stay TRYING to keep it at 30...but is working very hard to do that. It is like the FPS wants to soar on it's own. I like using the lock-down, in fact needed it under Vista, but perhaps with a little bit slow-as-I-go fooling around, I will finish with it entirely. All this now with my CPU at stock speed! Later.....Cheers!
Mitch, Have you tried NOT using the FPS Limiter & locking FSX at 30fps. Like you, I have the i7 950 Extreme with a 285 2G/OC card and W7 Home 64bit. I was using the Limiter as to me it was a magic bullet, now I find either no difference in smoothness/fps or an improvement without the Limiter.

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I've heard of people having problems adding scenery to the scenery library under W7. Have you been able to do this?
I have W7 and I can add scenery... but there's a catch, I admit... when you want to add scenery, you click Add scenery in the scenery library and all that and at the end you click OK button but nothing happenes.. you have to click anywhere on this open window and it will close and add scenery... something like that.. I don't even understand what I just wrote :( I was in scenery.cfg in FS9 all the time, almost more than flying :( , since there was a "bug".. sometimes scenery was added, sometimes not... and if I wasn't paying attention to scenery.cfg, some scenery could disappear and stuff like that. Since FSX don't have this problem, I don't touch this file anymore.. and I'm happy with that.

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I congratulate the OP about the improvement going from Old Vista to New Vista 7!You would have seen this effect a long time ago, just by shifting to Windows XP 64 bit IMO...

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I've heard of people having problems adding scenery to the scenery library under W7. Have you been able to do this?
---------------------Oh really? I haven't tried since the transfer over. Will try loading 'something' for a test and report back to you.
My performance is just as good with Vista64. No need for me to spend $hundreds more for another OS.So Mitch, how many more of these testimonial threads on Uncle Bills Windows 7 Magic Potion and Elixir are you gonna start?RegardsBob ScottColonel, USAF (ret)ATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VColorado Springs, CO
-----------------------------------------Actually, you're in for some relief, Bob. Nada, none, nyet... I pretty well said how I have found it out to be. If it had been a very bad, disappointing experience, I would have truthfully published that. Thankfully, that has not been the case. Like Geofa, it has cleared up a few PITA's from when having used Vista and FSX. :)
Mitch, Have you tried NOT using the FPS Limiter & locking FSX at 30fps. Like you, I have the i7 950 Extreme with a 285 2G/OC card and W7 Home 64bit. I was using the Limiter as to me it was a magic bullet, now I find either no difference in smoothness/fps or an improvement without the Limiter.
Ok....I'm still a babe-in-the-woods with W7. I'm still learning to navigate around the wee beastie, LOL. I'll fire up FSX without the limiter software and as you suggest, just limit inside FSX. As stated above, it seems now, like the i7-975 is getting PO'd with me...in using that. The 30 will SPIKE upto 40-44 FPS like it is fighting to 'get free', LOLOLOL! Hey...no complaints! :)Thanks, I'll try it.Cheers!Mitch
I congratulate the OP about the improvement going from Old Vista to New Vista 7!You would have seen this effect a long time ago, just by shifting to Windows XP 64 bit IMO...
------------------------------------------------------Very well could be, but can't verify as I had never used that version, only XP Pro 32 bit. :)

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I congratulate the OP about the improvement going from Old Vista to New Vista 7!You would have seen this effect a long time ago, just by shifting to Windows XP 64 bit IMO...
nonsense. I have two PC of almost identical build to show that W7 is a much superior OS even for FSX. don't propagate the old myths without trying it yourself

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Mitch, Have you tried NOT using the FPS Limiter & locking FSX at 30fps. Like you, I have the i7 950 Extreme with a 285 2G/OC card and W7 Home 64bit. I was using the Limiter as to me it was a magic bullet, now I find either no difference in smoothness/fps or an improvement without the Limiter.
-------------------------------------------------Am in a flight right now from Los Angeles to Phoenix Regional in a Stationair 6. I am running with just FSX limited to 30 fps...and it is controlling to the set figure. Much better in fact than with the Limiter Sofware in command. Must be a W7 'thang.... :)Back to the flight... Under AS 6.5, and REX2...it was a very foggy take off from 25R, but at 2,500 AGL, I broke out into a beautiful sunrise courtesy of REX2! (I have time of day set to DAWN).:)Mitch'er

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I've heard of people having problems adding scenery to the scenery library under W7. Have you been able to do this?
I added some test scenery today. It acted as normal. If there had been a problem, perhaps it has been fixed with updates. FSX runs very stable.

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I too have an I7 @ 4.1 (see sig). I have been flipping between Win7 64 Home premium and Vista64 Home Premium. I have similar perfromance on both systems although I will admit that Win7 seems slightly smoother. I think that if you had a big performance boost with Win7 then Vista had a setup/tuning problem. In both cases I do run FSX on a different spindle to the OS so FSX is identical when I swap the system partition from Vista to Win7. There have been a lot of reports from others on this board of no magical increase in performance with a Win7 upgrade.I have taken note of your tip with the monitor ICM file and hadn't thought of that, thanks for the heads up. :(

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can anyone with the PMDG MD-11 or 747X say whether the black screen and disappearing textures are fixed under W7 and the latest nvidia drivers? I'm about to downgrade to xp x64 from vista x64 because of this issue but would rather go up to w7 if it does work better

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I too have an I7 @ 4.1 (see sig). I have been flipping between Win7 64 Home premium and Vista64 Home Premium. I have similar perfromance on both systems although I will admit that Win7 seems slightly smoother. I think that if you had a big performance boost with Win7 then Vista had a setup/tuning problem. In both cases I do run FSX on a different spindle to the OS so FSX is identical when I swap the system partition from Vista to Win7. There have been a lot of reports from others on this board of no magical increase in performance with a Win7 upgrade.I have taken note of your tip with the monitor ICM file and hadn't thought of that, thanks for the heads up. :(
------------------------------------------------------Yes, W7's install puts its own .ICM file where you previously had the manufacturer's. I don't think that I alluded to that there would be a magical increase..(smile) but rather that with the performance boost that W7 gives, I have been able to drop my i7 back to stock speeds and STILL maintain all of the benefits that I had; FPS/Smoothness while at max overclock. I was hoping that at some time I could do that, because I truly wanted this chip to stick around for a number of years as has the P4 3.4. At a cost of $1,000.00 dollars plus, this would be a good thing!!!! So, I'm most pleased that installing W7 Ultimate has allowed me to do this as an unexpected component of its performance envelope. :) As for Vista...I had truly done the 'tune'...and I guess there was nothing 'wrong' with it, other than it is slower and more of a resource hog than W7. If Vista can be seen as a 'runner'...W7 could be seen as a runner who has just limbered up for that morning run....with the 'runner' heading out the door... :)Cheers!Mitch

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Wow!I thought you meant 1000 $ for your PC, but it's your CPU!Awesome I must say...Can you perhaps explain a little about this .ICM file - where is it and what to do?I have double-boot setup with XP64 and Win7 and would of course like too see FSX perform better on the W7 than XP, but it hasn't happened yet.Thanks.

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Wow!I thought you meant 1000 $ for your PC, but it's your CPU!Awesome I must say...Can you perhaps explain a little about this .ICM file - where is it and what to do?I have double-boot setup with XP64 and Win7 and would of course like too see FSX perform better on the W7 than XP, but it hasn't happened yet.Thanks.
--------------------------------------------------------Sure, here is the explanation, and then the pathway....The .icm file is a file that controls the monitor's 'temperature' component (how tint is set up), and therefore, in how RGB, the primary colors are sent to the screen. You will get the best color/graphic performance from you monitor if your manufacturer's .icm file is set to default, rather than W7's. But..if you would prefer to totally customize the appearance, then you would use W7's .icm file AFTER you have gone through the W7 color setup wizard.Go to Control Panel in W7. Go to Hardware and Sound. Go to Display. Once there, pick on the left upper side, Adjust Resolution. Pick the blue colored Advance settings. A MASK will open up with Color Management in the upper left tab. Press that. Then Press the Color Management tab in the upper third of the main mask. That will open up the .ICM screen for you to either keep W7's .icm file as the DEFAULT, or you highlight your manufacturer's .icm color management file and then create THAT as your default, of which I highly suggest you do. Then, press apply, and you are done. Get out of screen back to desktop.Mitch

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Enjoy your success, believe me, it is by no means universal. I moved from Win XP 32 bit to Win 7 64-bit (Home) through a perfect reformatted new 500 GIG hard drive and had nothing but problems with nasty random black screens that killed most every flight. Granted, I was using only a Core2 Quad on a Gigabyte mobo and not you i7 and an NVidia 8800 GTS; but I've encountered simmers with your hardware specs and my reports of fatal black screens. There is no pattern with all of this save luck. I did move back to Win XP 64 bit and that has wiped out 90% of my problems. No more black screen problems, just occasonal cream colored screens (so called, CSOD). Also, I seriously doubt that Win 7 64 bit has any performance advantage over Win XP 64. 64 bit is 64 bit, period. I am sure others will swear on "bibles" the miracle of Win 7 for FSX, sorry, but there is no substitude for luck in this manner, elsewise somebody could come forward with the perfect hardware solution we could all use. Sadly, that will never happen after Microsoft kicked us to the curb. Enjoy your set-up, I sure would! :)Randy Jura, KPDX.

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Enjoy your success, believe me, it is by no means universal. I moved from Win XP 32 bit to Win 7 64-bit (Home) through a perfect reformatted new 500 GIG hard drive and had nothing but problems with nasty random black screens that killed most every flight. Granted, I was using only a Core2 Quad on a Gigabyte mobo and not you i7 and an NVidia 8800 GTS; but I've encountered simmers with your hardware specs and my reports of fatal black screens. There is no pattern with all of this save luck.I did move back to Win XP 64 bit and that has wiped out 90% of my problems. No more black screen problems, just occasonal cream colored screens (so called, CSOD). Also, I seriously doubt that Win 7 64 bit has any performance advantage over Win XP 64. 64 bit is 64 bit, period. I am sure others will swear on "bibles" the miracle of Win 7 for FSX, sorry, but there is no substitude for luck in this manner, elsewise somebody could come forward with the perfect hardware solution we could all use. Sadly, that will never happen after Microsoft kicked us to the curb. Enjoy your set-up, I sure would! :)Randy Jura, KPDX.
----------------------------------------------------------------Randy, I must mention that because I have a Dell XPS 730x system, and because I bought it last July, I also got the rights to a free W7 upgrade from my then current Vista counterpart. So, what came in the upgrade package later on was the W7 Ultimate Setup disc, but also I guess more importantly, a DVD disc from Dell that is called the Dell Upgrade Assistant disk. With Vista 64 bit up and running at desktop, you are instructed to first put in the Assistant disc and let it fine tune/comb your Vista setup in advanced PREPERATION for your initial W7 install.I did so, and watched with some fascination, that it caught many er...'could be' problems with drivers and versions of software that I had already upon my system. It then upgraded the drivers, temporarily removed the offending software, cleaned the registry (pretty good, huh?), and only when it was finished and certified that my system was now in a clean virgin state for my W7 installation, I was then directed to put in the W7 Ultimate disc. Did that...watched as the whole shebang got under way...and finished with the installation. Then, instructions came onto the screen that the Assistant Software would then install once more the software that would have conflicted/corrupted the installation of W7. It did so automatically, installing updated versions of the software if I gave it permission, and soon, I was flying under W7.I could have a really nice install because I had the use of the Assistant Disk BEFORE attempting the W7 upgrade. It sure identified and did a lot of grooming of my then Vista setup, before I did in fact install W7. Perhaps, as I suggested to another user...that this disc could be purchased from Dell (if it will work on other systems other than Dell specific) and it would make the install/upgrade a painless affair.Mitch

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2. The system is running resources much better and leaner than with having used Vista. Things get opened lightning fast. One benefit right away, is that I had my i7-975 running (overclocked to 4.1 GHz) to get a constant 30 FPS locked down by the FPS Limiter Software. I have found by much experiment, and pleasure...that I can now run my i7-975 CPU at the STOCK settings from Dell as I received it, and still maintain all the same performance I had, when having overclocked the snot out of it. :) This is no longer necessary to achieve a smooth 30 FPS in FSX and my locked 60 FPS in FS9.75. This was NOT POSSIBLE under Vista 64 bit. This is not in the realm of Placebo Effect. This is hard tack system-level observation.
Just wanted to confirm this. I too have removed the o/c on my 975 after countless tests and comparisons. There are situations where running 4.0Ghz added a few fps, but it was just not worth it.

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----------------------------------------------------------------Randy, I must mention that because I have a Dell XPS 730x system, and because I bought it last July, I also got the rights to a free W7 upgrade from my then current Vista counterpart. So, what came in the upgrade package later on was the W7 Ultimate Setup disc, but also I guess more importantly, a DVD disc from Dell that is called the Dell Upgrade Assistant disk. With Vista 64 bit up and running at desktop, you are instructed to first put in the Assistant disc and let it fine tune/comb your Vista setup in advanced PREPERATION for your initial W7 install.I did so, and watched with some fascination, that it caught many er...'could be' problems with drivers and versions of software that I had already upon my system. It then upgraded the drivers, temporarily removed the offending software, cleaned the registry (pretty good, huh?), and only when it was finished and certified that my system was now in a clean virgin state for my W7 installation, I was then directed to put in the W7 Ultimate disc. Did that...watched as the whole shebang got under way...and finished with the installation. Then, instructions came onto the screen that the Assistant Software would then install once more the software that would have conflicted/corrupted the installation of W7. It did so automatically, installing updated versions of the software if I gave it permission, and soon, I was flying under W7.I could have a really nice install because I had the use of the Assistant Disk BEFORE attempting the W7 upgrade. It sure identified and did a lot of grooming of my then Vista setup, before I did in fact install W7. Perhaps, as I suggested to another user...that this disc could be purchased from Dell (if it will work on other systems other than Dell specific) and it would make the install/upgrade a painless affair.Mitch
--------------------------------Post Edit via my own Reply: One thing that is overlooked really easily...is if you want to install, or upgrade to a new O.S. Before you even start!!!---return your system to a non-overclocked/over driven state, ie: as came from the factory or from the manufacturer of the BIOS. If not, you may find that the read/writes upon installation could become to any degree corrupt, leading to some of the problems that posters here have documented. I have a question for them...did they forget to bring their system back to total spec, BEFORE they installed W7? :) BTW, if anybody is curious, my system is what is explained in this youtube video. I have the air-cooled option, and not the water-cooled. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RCmJWT15j0 That's my beast to the right upon the table.

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Just wanted to confirm this. I too have removed the o/c on my 975 after countless tests and comparisons. There are situations where running 4.0Ghz added a few fps, but it was just not worth it.
IMHO The power of i7 is so much that other components and software cant keep up hence the stutters associated with i7 OC.my i7920 @3.8Ghz is very smooth cause i set affinity mask to 14 = 1110 meaning core 0 is not used by FSX. That allows other OS code etc to run , and fsx is much smoother for it.IMHO there is no need for fps limiter just set affinity to 14 and see what you get, OC your i7975 as much as you can, then set affinity 14 = smooth. With HT OFF.with HT on then you set affinity to 252 = 1111 1100 to achive the same effect, but with ht on you cant OC as much.

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