Hello all, I was wondering if anyone knows of any 727's currently being developed for FSX with detailed systems and accurate flight model? I am aware of current products on the market, just looking for something else for various reasons. The Flight1 fs9 version of which I still own was one of my favorites but upon trying to port to FSX I failed miserably. If anyone has successfully done this I would be interested in learning about that as well. Thank you in advance for any info anyone has. I think a full study 727 for FSX would be cool, hopefully someone somewhere is making one or considering! Spud

Dreamfleet seems to have an on-going project. Check out their forums for various bits of information.

Dreamfleet seems to have an on-going project. Check out their forums for various bits of information.

If I could get one with a 2d cockpit that would be great. I have the CS one and it is pretty good, but because it was developed with only a virtual cockpit, I rarely fly it.

Come on guys, it's 2010. You don't have to fly on flat panels without any atmosphere. Go for a great VC, buy the Captain Sim 727, add the CIVA INS and enjoy TrackIR flying. If your're up to flight tuning and stuff ... look into the Captain Sim forums and find some easy to be done mods.

Come on guys, it's 2010. You don't have to fly on flat panels without any atmosphere. Go for a great VC, buy the Captain Sim 727, add the CIVA INS and enjoy TrackIR flying. If your're up to flight tuning and stuff ... look into the Captain Sim forums and find some easy to be done mods.

I realize that these days most people prefer the "feel" of the VC, and that is understandable. Aa a real work private pilot, I don't find the virtual cockpit to be anything like when I am piloting a real airplane. Part of the problem for me is that I feel like the whole inside is moving around, and also I don't feel as if the line of sight is as good. I think I can get used to the VC during cruise, but on take off and landing it just drives me nuts. I suppose TrackIR may solve some of these issues, but I don't have it at this point. Again, I know I am in the minority here, but that said I really do wish that the developers can keep the 2d pits in these things and then both sides would be happy. I will admit, however, that I have no basis to determine how much extra time or cost woulg be involved in adding a 2d cockpit but it would seem not to be too much of an issue. Cheers, Pete

I feel the same way especially with take-off and landings, but I found that flying with mutliscreens GREATLY helps the overall feeling of beeing there. No need to pan, track, switch, just look at left - right and everything is in sight. RV

I realize that these days most people prefer the "feel" of the VC, and that is understandable. Aa a real work private pilot, I don't find the virtual cockpit to be anything like when I am piloting a real airplane. Part of the problem for me is that I feel like the whole inside is moving around, and also I don't feel as if the line of sight is as good. I think I can get used to the VC during cruise, but on take off and landing it just drives me nuts. I suppose TrackIR may solve some of these issues, but I don't have it at this point. Again, I know I am in the minority here, but that said I really do wish that the developers can keep the 2d pits in these things and then both sides would be happy. I will admit, however, that I have no basis to determine how much extra time or cost woulg be involved in adding a 2d cockpit but it would seem not to be too much of an issue. Cheers, Pete

Thanks for the info. I did find the Dreamfleet Forums and their 727 appears to be still actively developing as was confirmed about a month ago. Sounds like it could be a little while yet til we see it but I'm at least glad to hear that news. As for the person that mentioned tweaking for the CS one (I own that too), I guess I'll need to look into that more so thanks for mentioning that. I used to dispatch these birds in the airlines back when and am very picky about correct fuel burns, takeoff performance, w&b, power settings, correct speeds, etc and felt like something was missing in about all of these areas. The -200 was noticeably underpowered for example. However, it has been a while since I've used it and perhaps it has been patched since then. I'll look into it. I don't care much about the VC being the only option, as long as the aforementioned aspects are right that's all I care about. Sounds like the DF will have 2d though for those interested. Thanks all for your input. Spud

I realize that these days most people prefer the "feel" of the VC, and that is understandable. Aa a real work private pilot, I don't find the virtual cockpit to be anything like when I am piloting a real airplane.

I know we're going a bit off topic but I just can't see this point of view. I'm also a pilot and from my time in Warrior's I do think the VC is superior to the 2D panel. I own Track IR and believe this is the key to success. I agree that the "feel" from the VC can be a bit bland without track ir. So maybe if you get the money buy TIR, it's especially helpful in the pattern or while doing VFR maneuvers. All this being said - I still use a few 2D popups, such as the GPS, or radio stack/FMS.As far as the original topic goes - other than the Captainsim version, I can't think of a readily available native FSX format 727... I didn't even know DF was re-doing their 727. I know of the DC8 and that's all.

I know we're going a bit off topic but I just can't see this point of view. I'm also a pilot and from my time in Warrior's I do think the VC is superior to the 2D panel. I own Track IR and believe this is the key to success. I agree that the "feel" from the VC can be a bit bland without track ir. So maybe if you get the money buy TIR, it's especially helpful in the pattern or while doing VFR maneuvers. All this being said - I still use a few 2D popups, such as the GPS, or radio stack/FMS.As far as the original topic goes - other than the Captainsim version, I can't think of a readily available native FSX format 727... I didn't even know DF was re-doing their 727. I know of the DC8 and that's all.

I fly warriors (and archers) as well, and I do agree that the VC experience would probably be much better with TrackIR. I think the visual experience is pretty cool with the VC, but when it comes to controlling the plane, and I fly the heavy metal pretty exclusively in the sim, I have always had a hard time. That said, I was always willing to sacrafice the visuals for what for me has been better control of the plane. I suppose one of these days I will have to finally get the TrackIR and give it a shot. Does it really transform the experience with the VC? I have big time viewpoint issues with the VC, but really this is only an issue on the take off and landing phase. Anyway, I do need someone to apply some peer pressure so that I will go out and get this TrackIR thing!Cheers, Pete

I think having a hat switch on a yoke and a good mouse makes a VC great to fly in even without throwing down a lot of money on trackir

I think the visual experience is pretty cool with the VC, but when it comes to controlling the plane, and I fly the heavy metal pretty exclusively in the sim, I have always had a hard time.

I used to feel the same way, especially back in the days when I was on FS9. Now with the way you can easily adjust the camers using the stock FSX settings or EZdok which I have makes it very easy to fly from the VC. Look at the two pics I attached, one is taking off and one is landing. In each I have plenty of visibility when landing or taking off because you can easily manipulate your eyepoint with the hat switch and I dont own TrackIR.

I think having a hat switch on a yoke and a good mouse makes a VC great to fly in even without throwing down a lot of money on trackir

I agree with that 100%. Plus for me adding EZdok make adding extra camera views a snap.

I think having a hat switch on a yoke and a good mouse makes a VC great to fly in even without throwing down a lot of money on trackir

Let me assure you, that the experience to just look by turning your head is far more advanced and amazing than any software could simulate.The combination of EzDok AND TrackIR is a good one (absolutely recommended), but the first thing alone lacks of ... well, experience it yourself (I don't mean those youtube videos, ask a friend or maybe a friendly store to try it out).I hear those "EzDok does it for me, I don't need TrackIR" sentences all the time. All coming from people never experienced a real view by just turning their heads without pressing a button, moving the mouse, issuing a voice order or other things. If you ever flew a traffic pattern with TIR, you'll never want to go back to key press solutions or hat switches of any kind.Agreed, TIR is a very big investment but the one that raises immersion unrivaled high. Maybe you can buy a used set of a good version 4 instead of the current No. 5 and save some money.As for the 727: TrackIR enhances the immersion in the VC like on any VC plane, by a big margin. 2D popups are still welcome (at least for me), but not necessary and 2D only panels are way out of time in 2010. You don't need a full view canopy around you to realize, that head turning views are the way to go.I was as skeptic as you, because I knew about TrackIR from those lame youtube videos only and asked myself why people buy such expensive things. But a friend of mine lent me his set for some days. After the first minutes I logged in to the shop and ordered my set too - simply no comparison to just watch a video were a guy pans around in his cockpit.I you like to play other games too, be aware that racing and even military games also gain some large amount of immersion from viewing the opponents by turning your head.

Just a reminder for those that dont know, you have a 'poormans TrackIR' built in to FSX, use the 'mouse' function. Either press the spacebar and move the mouse, or use Shift+O in the VC.You can also move the eyepoint up in the VC with Shift+Enter to get better visibility over the nose. No need to spend a lot of money. I normally dont buy a plane without both 2D and VC, because I use the 2D for setup, takeoff, and cruise, and VC for landing, but the CS727 is an exception to that rule, It's too nice a plane to not have it.

Maybe you laugh about this "solution" for "no need to spend a lot of money" after you've tried. At least I laughed about myself being so convinced that this investment is obsolete. I truly wasn't and you only realize this after you've tried.Again: There are some freeware solutions out there that use your webcam or cheaper devices and of course some version 4 users might sell their stuff because they go for version 5 (which enhances precision but is not necessarily needed to go for head tracking).You will hardly find a flight sim TrackIR user that sells his stuff because he isn't confident about his investment.

I dont really care about the price of TrackIR, for me its about accessability. In a real life 757 you dont have to point a mouse pointer at a 5x5 pixel spot to manipulate the altitude selector on the glareshield. You just move your arm, you would know where the knob is blindfolded and it would be very easy to manipulate. In a VC not so much. In a VC you have to hit the exact spot with your mouse pointer. I have to be the Captain and the copilot at the same time, and some times ever the flight engineer.During a busy departure the last thing I want to have to worry about is if im actually clicking one of those 5 pixels. Thats why I find the 2d panel superior in high workload situations. If I had $20 000 to spend on a cockpit I'm sure I would never use a 2d panel ever again, however, the VC does help reducing the workload in any way, shape or form