Hi all, I'll join in here. I had the Track IR5 with the basic clip and I returned it 2 days after I got it. The problem was that I had very limited range of motion. I would try to look slightly down to see the center console in the J41 and my view would only move just a couple of inches at most. I tried tweaking the profile, but that didnt make any difference. Every time I moved my actual head more than 1 inch in any direction, the view would be looking at the floor behind me. It was so maddening! I see videos of people useing it and it looks great! People rave about it, so I must be doing someting wrong. So overall, the problem was that I had an almost fixed view, and anytime I'd move my head to try to change that view, the POV in FSX would be looking at the floor behind me. I sit 30" away from my 24" monitor (otherwise I can't focus correctly on the screen). By moving my chair way back (so far back that I could no longer reach the yoke, throtles, or pedals), I noticed that TIR5 responded slightly better to my imputs, but still not favorably. Also, the unit seemed to be picking up my ceiling light sometimes instead of the top reflector on the clip. With these details, do you think that the Pro clip would help? I really want this to work, but I was so fed up with the craziness that I returned it. I would be willing to try again with the pro clip if you think that it would make a difference.Thanks for any suggestions!

I have issues using it with the J41 too, exactly like yours. Mine are intermittent though. I have just got ez dok and it gives you great options to use with track ir by making the view pause when the head movement goes out of range.I suppose these issues could happen with any aircraft and many factors may include distance away from the unit, angle at which you are sat from the unit ie laterally and vertically and also the amount of light in the room. I haven't set any profiles up with the J41 yet but will give it a go and see if it improves this issue.

Hi all, I'll join in here. I had the Track IR5 with the basic clip and I returned it 2 days after I got it. The problem was that I had very limited range of motion. I would try to look slightly down to see the center console in the J41 and my view would only move just a couple of inches at most. I tried tweaking the profile, but that didnt make any difference. Every time I moved my actual head more than 1 inch in any direction, the view would be looking at the floor behind me. It was so maddening! I see videos of people useing it and it looks great! People rave about it, so I must be doing someting wrong. So overall, the problem was that I had an almost fixed view, and anytime I'd move my head to try to change that view, the POV in FSX would be looking at the floor behind me. I sit 30" away from my 24" monitor (otherwise I can't focus correctly on the screen). By moving my chair way back (so far back that I could no longer reach the yoke, throtles, or pedals), I noticed that TIR5 responded slightly better to my imputs, but still not favorably. Also, the unit seemed to be picking up my ceiling light sometimes instead of the top reflector on the clip. With these details, do you think that the Pro clip would help? I really want this to work, but I was so fed up with the craziness that I returned it. I would be willing to try again with the pro clip if you think that it would make a difference.Thanks for any suggestions!

This is odd, because at the 26" distance I center at I can go roughly 10 inches side to side & probably 6 inches vertically before it loses me (beyond my comfort range, at any rate). I can also turn my head about 60 degrees before it loses me. That ceiling light may have something to do with it. I can make my VC spin by holding up anything shiny or hot (cigarette lighter flame), so that ceiling light could be interfering to the point that the camera didn't know which spots to track. That goes for anything shiny/bright, a mirror on the wall behind you, the sun glaring through a window, candle on the coffee table, etc... Heck, a beer bottle in my hand just moved it while I was sitting down.The ideal backdrop is just a blank wall, but I know that isn't always possible. Just try to minimize bright lights, hot spots & random reflections behind you.As for the proclip, my understanding (and I could be wrong) is that it's just a set of reflectors you put on the side of a headset instead of the bill of a cap. Moving the reflectors from the top of your head to the side shouldn't make any difference.For the other person who asked, I center at 26 inches distance, not 26cm One last thing, make sure the camera is pointed straight at the reflectors, not your face. I did have some similar issues until I figured that out.

This is odd, because at the 26" distance I center at I can go roughly 10 inches side to side & probably 6 inches vertically before it loses me (beyond my comfort range, at any rate). I can also turn my head about 60 degrees before it loses me.

Exactly! This is roughly what I should be seeing, but it is not even close.

I can make my VC spin by holding up anything shiny or hot (cigarette lighter flame), so that ceiling light could be interfering to the point that the camera didn't know which spots to track. That goes for anything shiny/bright, a mirror on the wall behind you, the sun glaring through a window, candle on the coffee table, etc... Heck, a beer bottle in my hand just moved it while I was sitting down.The ideal backdrop is just a blank wall, but I know that isn't always possible. Just try to minimize bright lights, hot spots & random reflections behind you.

The problem continued with my light off, and nothing hot or reflective in the room. The reason I posted those details was to see if having the pro clip made the light have less effect because of the stronger signal coming from the clip.

As for the proclip, my understanding (and I could be wrong) is that it's just a set of reflectors you put on the side of a headset instead of the bill of a cap. Moving the reflectors from the top of your head to the side shouldn't make any difference.

I am under the impression that the pro clip actually has three infra red lights on it, and that unlike the basic clip, it doesn't have to rely on reflectors being at exactly the right angle to pick up the reflection, because it is actively beaming infra red light to the sensor. Please correct if wrong.EDIT: Note the comments of a naturalpoint mod on their forums: [i did the bolding]"the TrackClip PRO offers [...] increased tracking accuracy:- As you turn your head with the standard TrackClip, the visible size of the reflecting area changes (less is visible depending on how your head is rotated). This requires more math to determine whether markers were changing size due actual movement or due to less visible area. The TrackClip PRO's bulbs present a more consistent size for tracking, which leads to more precision (which can be important if you're applying a lot of amplification).- The TrackClip PRO projects 3 infrared lights directly at the TrackIR (rather than passively reflecting IR light from the device). As Vincent noted, this allows you to turn off the camera LEDs, which can help prevent interference from additional IR light being reflected back into the camera from other objects in the camera's FOV.- Hat brims can obstruct your field of view, while headsets should not.- By clipping onto a headset, the TrackClip PRO can be a bit more secure in how it's mounted to your head.- Many simmers/gamers already wear a headset and prefer not to wear a hat as well."

One last thing, make sure the camera is pointed straight at the reflectors, not your face. I did have some similar issues until I figured that out.

It was. I had it pointing a little up so that it would be centered on the clip that resided ontop of my head.Thanks for the reply! If anyone else wants to pitch in and help please be my guest!

I have issues using it with the J41 too, exactly like yours. Mine are intermittent though. I have just got ez dok and it gives you great options to use with track ir by making the view pause when the head movement goes out of range.I suppose these issues could happen with any aircraft and many factors may include distance away from the unit, angle at which you are sat from the unit ie laterally and vertically and also the amount of light in the room. I haven't set any profiles up with the J41 yet but will give it a go and see if it improves this issue.

It is nice that at least one other person has or is experiencing something remotely similar and that it is not just me. Let me know how it goes man. Thanks!

TrackIr without the pro clip, for me was unacceptable, that lil reflective clip causes all kind of erractic movement. Some people have no issues, but it is nowhere near as responsive as the Pro LED clip. They really should just include that crappy LED clip for free. Going to say again couple it with EZdok's TrackIR interface/ Cockpit Limiter and it works fantastic.

OK, so looking back at their website I can see a module on the proclip that probably houses the IR LED's. I don't have any personal experience with one, so I can't comment on how much improvement it offers. One thing worth mentioning, they seem to have a plethora of software revisions. I'm running 5.1 Beta 3 on win7x64

Hi, my experience is the Trackclip pro makes a big difference, much more accurate. It simply attaches to your headset and in my opinion makes the environment a lot more dynamic. Only drawback though minor is you have a wire connecting it to your usb port that sometimes gets in the way. Definitely helps to set up a profile too. As Ben pointed out in an earlier post, there is a great profile called sethflight on the naturalpoint Trackir website. Flying the J41 with it is simply awesome. Final point also mentioned before I think is to make sure you centre the camera/software by clicking the centre button or pressing F12. Good luck enjoy.

TrackIr without the pro clip, for me was unacceptable, that lil reflective clip causes all kind of erractic movement. .

It is the complete opposite for me, the sprung steel hat clip is far more accurate and articulate than the Track Clip Pro is. The TCP has far too many blind spots where is gets confused and just stops, that's not the case with the hat clip if you set it up correctly and perfectly centred, my sensor is about 30 inches away from the head set. The TIR-5 is also a vast improvement over the TIR-3 that I had before.

I have noticed the same thing with the track clip pro if you have it set up at a weird angle. However, as I have a window behind me, the TCP greatly improves on the stability, even though it still jumps around occasionally.

Hmmm, well, I just made another flight in the PMDG MD11, and Track IR. Just like the dozen previous flights with TIR, FsPX recorded a very hard landing. Without TIR in the last thousands of flights I did, it used to be soft/kiss landings. ( I always use to disconnect AP like 500ft AGL for a manual landing)Anyone had difficulties like this ? I think it could come from the vertical angle of view with TIR, different from the traditional 2D view, that makes me "dive" the plane too much. Anyone for a trick ? What view do you got with TIR on final ? You see the FMC ? 10 years of 2D piloting is so hard to change ...

Hmmm, well, I just made another flight in the PMDG MD11, and Track IR. Just like the dozen previous flights with TIR, FsPX recorded a very hard landing. Without TIR in the last thousands of flights I did, it used to be soft/kiss landings. ( I always use to disconnect AP like 500ft AGL for a manual landing)Anyone had difficulties like this ? I think it could come from the vertical angle of view with TIR, different from the traditional 2D view, that makes me "dive" the plane too much. Anyone for a trick ? What view do you got with TIR on final ? You see the FMC ? 10 years of 2D piloting is so hard to change ...

No you shouldn't see the FMC, thats zoomed out way too far. When you drive your car how does the dashboard and outside look, same thing if your doing your PPL or watching a flightdeck video from the pilots perspective.Set it up to have a realistic perspective.

Thanks Rob. Should I see the horizontal surface below the windshield then (in my car I see it) ?

What view do you got with TIR on final ?

That's on touchdown. Sometimes I undock the PFD/ND if I need a clearer view of the instruments for raw data approaches:

Wow, that's what I needed, thanks a lot to both of you !

Thanks Rob. Should I see the horizontal surface below the windshield then (in my car I see it) ?

Do you mean the glareshield? This is how I see a lot of people flying in VC http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://home.comcast.net/~lou.lynn/707-cockpit-night2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl%3Fnum%3D1289553102&usg=__bgpRQi29LqczF6SrAXG2XzqUMNo=&h=492&w=1024&sz=97&hl=en&start=104&zoom=1&tbnid=DGElNEb5nv_wUM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=204&ei=dfpPTc22G4HQhAeqlsXODg&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dboeing%2Bglareshield%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1049%26bih%3D681%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C4779&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=106&vpy=245&dur=3266&hovh=155&hovw=324&tx=191&ty=83&oei=OPpPTdegLMyFhQeM48m4Dg&esq=10&page=9&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:104&biw=1049&bih=681The perspective is not realisic at all. Even the pics above are still zoomed out too far when you compare it to what a real pilot see's when sitting on the flightdeck however it's much closer to what I was trying to explain.You shouldn't need to undock the PFD/ND to get a clear view on approach.