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Relative FRAME Performance of NGX

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I was wondering that now you are in the late development stage, if there is any significant RELATIVE difference in Frame Rates& performance in FSX between using a default A/C (say their 737/800) & the NGX .Just curious to know if NGX will be more demanding computer performance wise or less so or about the same? .... (I don't know if there's a previous post on the subject).Just for info, I have just bought a new system just for NGX, & have loaded in FSX & ORBX.ASRock P55 PRO M/B - Intel P55, DDR3 2600+, Intel i5- 650 Core i5 CPU, Dual Core 3.20 GHz, -RAM 4GB KIT ( 2 x 2GB) DDR3 PC-12800 (1600MHz), HIS ATI HD 6850 PCI-E 2.1 1GB 256-bit GDDR5,I have set slider settings about same as recomended by ORBX FTX Australia, & with APT add ons, Frame rates unlimited!Getting sometimes over 100fps. However running FTX YBBN APT this drops down to 20 to 30fps, sometimes as low as 15, but on average about 30 to 60fpsdepending on the scene view etc. Overall though, works very well in FSX.Regards,Stewart Thompson.

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I was wondering that now you are in the late development stage, if there is any significant RELATIVE difference in Frame Rates& performance in FSX between using a default A/C (say their 737/800) & the NGX .Just curious to know if NGX will be more demanding computer performance wise or less so or about the same? .... (I don't know if there's a previous post on the subject).Just for info, I have just bought a new system just for NGX, & have loaded in FSX & ORBX.ASRock P55 PRO M/B - Intel P55, DDR3 2600+, Intel i5- 650 Core i5 CPU, Dual Core 3.20 GHz, -RAM 4GB KIT ( 2 x 2GB) DDR3 PC-12800 (1600MHz), HIS ATI HD 6850 PCI-E 2.1 1GB 256-bit GDDR5,I have set slider settings about same as recomended by ORBX FTX Australia, & with APT add ons, Frame rates unlimited!Getting sometimes over 100fps. However running FTX YBBN APT this drops down to 20 to 30fps, sometimes as low as 15, but on average about 30 to 60fpsdepending on the scene view etc. Overall though, works very well in FSX.Regards,Stewart Thompson.
This is still a difficult question to answer because the NGX is still under development. My experience has been the same as Ryan has mentioned in prior threads. As Ryan stated the NGX is still being optimized and I am also seeing similar performance as the other PMDG products like the MD11 and 744.

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Stewart, as with any complex addon, you will not be getting the same performance as you would with a default aircraft. That being said, performance right now is within the range of what we would expect from an aircraft this complex, and are on par with (and in many cases better than) similar addons we have produced in the past.

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Vin, that been said - could you 'confirm' that in current state the NGX's 2D panel have more or likely the same performance as the MD11 f.ex?

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Vin, that been said - could you 'confirm' that in current state the NGX's 2D panel have more or likely the same performance as the MD11 f.ex?
The 2D panel has better performance than the VC right now (as to be expected), that's all we can say. When development is finished, we plan on producing a guide explaining what to expect on machines with various system specs.I'm also thinking about producing a detailed guide complete with pictures on how to build and configure an overclocked Sandy Bridge i5 2500K system for those who want to upgrade just ahead of the release.

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The 2D panel has better performance than the VC right now (as to be expected), that's all we can say. When development is finished, we plan on producing a guide explaining what to expect on machines with various system specs.I'm also thinking about producing a detailed guide complete with pictures on how to build and configure an overclocked Sandy Bridge i5 2500K system for those who want to upgrade just ahead of the release.
Wish you would have done that 3 weeks ago. :PJ/K

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I'm also thinking about producing a detailed guide complete with pictures on how to build and configure an overclocked Sandy Bridge i5 2500K system for those who want to upgrade just ahead of the release.
Ryan, I'd find such a guide very helpful as I plan an upgrade....thanks for considering this!

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Frame rate sample from the VC. Smooth with *very few stutters. Everyone start saving or think about saving for an Ivy or Sandy bridge.Tom
Tom... I'm curious, and don't take this the wrong way... it's just that I've always been perplexed because it happens quite often.Why would someone take someone else's YouTube video and post it on their own channel?

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Ryan,I ended up upgrading my system for a I5 2500K , Intel DH67CL mobo, Corsair 4GB DDR3 1333 and continue for as long with my GTS 250. Unfortunately I could not choose a motherboard, and this model no offers overclock features. Is there any solution via software or something like...?[Thanks!

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Wish you would have done that 3 weeks ago. :PJ/K
Your system specs look great, don't worry about it.
Frame rate sample from the VC. Smooth with *very few stutters. Everyone start saving or think about saving for an Ivy or Sandy bridge.Tom
That was done on an older i7 920 (Vin's machine) too - he doesn't even run a super high overclock actually.
Ryan,I ended up upgrading my system for a I5 2500K , Intel DH67CL mobo, Corsair 4GB DDR3 1333 and continue for as long with my GTS 250. Unfortunately I could not choose a motherboard, and this model no offers overclock features. Is there any solution via software or something like...?[Thanks!
Unfortunately no, you're gonna be stuck with what the board's BIOS gives you...

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I'm also thinking about producing a detailed guide complete with pictures on how to build and configure an overclocked Sandy Bridge i5 2500K system for those who want to upgrade just ahead of the release.
This would be Awesome! specially for us "less than qualified" overclockers. Thanks Ryan.

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Ryan,I ended up upgrading my system for a I5 2500K , Intel DH67CL mobo, Corsair 4GB DDR3 1333 and continue for as long with my GTS 250. Unfortunately I could not choose a motherboard, and this model no offers overclock features. Is there any solution via software or something like...?[Thanks!
There are some programs that let you overclock the B-clock of the chip once you identify the phase lock loop(PLL), I don't thimk you can overvolt the chip or anything, but have a look at this:http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=41097

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Overclocking the bclk is dangerous on a Sandy Bridge system - it doesn't work like it does on the earlier 9xx and 8xx chips.

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I'm also thinking about producing a detailed guide complete with pictures on how to build and configure an overclocked Sandy Bridge i5 2500K system for those who want to upgrade just ahead of the release.
Ryan that would be incredible. My dream is to have a great machine that solely runs fsx (and of course, many, many addons Big%20Grin.gif). But a step by step guide by you would make the process much easier and more rewarding. Regards

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The 2D panel has better performance than the VC right now (as to be expected), that's all we can say. When development is finished, we plan on producing a guide explaining what to expect on machines with various system specs.I'm also thinking about producing a detailed guide complete with pictures on how to build and configure an overclocked Sandy Bridge i5 2500K system for those who want to upgrade just ahead of the release.
If you do the i5 overclocking guide, will that be ok to use for the i7 to? After I get a new case and a H70 for my CPU I am looking forward to getting it overclocked to see how FSX runs.

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I'm also thinking about producing a detailed guide complete with pictures on how to build and configure an overclocked Sandy Bridge i5 2500K system for those who want to upgrade just ahead of the release.
Please do so! Once I start my new job I'll start saving for a new computer. :(

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I understand that PMDG is still optimising this thing, but there are ultimately three possibilities:

  • the NGX is better than the MD-11 in FPS;
  • the NGX is approximately the same as the MD-11 in FPS;
  • the NGS is worse than the MD-11 in FPS.

The responses from PMDG to performance questions lead me to assume that either the second or third of those possibilities applies to the current build of the NGX, notwithstanding that it is still being optimised. I'm sure that if it was better in performance than the MD-11, we would have been told that. The talk from PMDG of performance "ranges" (a range being of imprecise and potentially very broad definition); "similar" performance (again ambiguous); continued optimisation; and guides to building a Sandy Bridge system (!!!!), do not instill the greatest confidence in me that this is going to be an FPS-friendly product.Regards,Justin J

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Tom... I'm curious, and don't take this the wrong way... it's just that I've always been perplexed because it happens quite often.Why would someone take someone else's YouTube video and post it on their own channel?
I have the slightest idea why one would do that.

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I understand that PMDG is still optimising this thing, but there are ultimately three possibilities:
  • the NGX is better than the MD-11 in FPS;
  • the NGX is approximately the same as the MD-11 in FPS;
  • the NGS is worse than the MD-11 in FPS.

The responses from PMDG to performance questions lead me to assume that either the second or third of those possibilities applies to the current build of the NGX, notwithstanding that it is still being optimised. I'm sure that if it was better in performance than the MD-11, we would have been told that. The talk from PMDG of performance "ranges" (a range being of imprecise and potentially very broad definition); "similar" performance (again ambiguous); continued optimisation; and guides to building a Sandy Bridge system (!!!!), do not instill the greatest confidence in me that this is going to be an FPS-friendly product.Regards,Justin J

I would imagine they are doing thier best but it is the ultimate ng sim, and some performance has to be lost in order to accurately sim the systems.That being said, i would imagine if we can run the js41 fine, the ngx will perform better?

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I just hope the NGX avoids the artifact bugs that the JS41 has when at high detail settings.

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@JusJPMDG dev's have already stated that the NGX is on-par with their similar previous products.

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@JusJPMDG dev's have already stated that the NGX is on-par with their similar previous products.
But then again - on my system anyways - all previous add's performs different. The MD11 is a smooth x100, never problems either in VC or 2D, the 747 is alittle heavier esp. @ bigger airports with alot of weather and the J41 is one though little ###### ;) (Tough, settings are almost maxed so there might be an idea to meet somewhere in the middle with the NGX)

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I was actually thinking of buying the JS41 ever since demoing ORBX AU.So if you can run the JS41 fine, you will run the NGX fine?

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I think that's the general consensus. PMDG has stated their unofficial, internal, subject to change performance target was better than the JS. Also, the JS41 is one nice little airplane. It's loads of fun to fly.

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