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Carenado Cessna T210M Centurion II

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I just have to say wow. Thank you to Ray Marshall for an incredible review on the C210. That was really really well done and a pleasure to read.

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I just have to say wow. Thank you to Ray Marshall for an incredible review on the C210. That was really really well done and a pleasure to read.
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Absolutely. An entertaining and informative read.GUMP!

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Thanks for the accolates guys. It is easy to write a good review when you have something as good as this one to work with.An update has been added at the end of the review to clarify exactly which liveries come with the download and which ones in the review are freeware repaints that were downloaded from the Avsim library and Aussiex.org.Ray

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A wonderfully laid out review Ray, well done and thank you for your effort and time.

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Brilliant review Ray.....you set the bar pretty darn high for the rest of us :good:

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Very good review but I have not seen a comment on FPS performance. It would be good to get a comment as us older comp users (C2D E6750) have had issues with some of Carenado past offerings especially the HD series.Shez

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Very good review but I have not seen a comment on FPS performance. It would be good to get a comment as us older comp users (C2D E6750) have had issues with some of Carenado past offerings especially the HD series.Shez
Shez,One big item on this. I hope you saw that we covered the Lite and HD textures in extreme detail. As far a FPS on the test system, it runs better than most. I use an external limiter set at 30 and I usually have something very close to 30 most of the time. It is one of those things of the past that we tend not to notice on a well done new addon. The minimum hardware specs are listed in the review.I would expect the C210T to run very will on a dual core system with a good or better than average for the day graphics card. Like the 7950GT - 8800GT range or equivalent. I'm not familiar with the C2D E6750.You can check at the unofficial support site that was mentioned in the review and ask if some of the users have older systems and what kind of FPS they are getting. I have not seen anyone compain on any of the forums about bogging down the FPS.Thanks for the comments.Ray

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Thanks Ray.C2D E6750 is Core2Duo E6750 and my GPU is a GTX570.Shez

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Thanks Ray.C2D E6750 is Core2Duo E6750 and my GPU is a GTX570.Shez
I would expect the Carenado 210T to work just fine using the Lite textures. Check with the Carenado support forum here at Avsim and see if someone else has a similar setup. It is a very enjoyable addon.Ray

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Thanks for the review...  I've had the plane for a few days, and sorry to say... it's in the corner of the hanger as a home for the hanger critters.

 

This was my first high winger add on, and I picked it simply because I cant fly 150 kts and not fall ah sleep.. What killed this bird was the sight line... they are terrible, terrible, terrible. God Awful, Terrible.

 

I set my sight lines with the real alinements one would have with my EzDok and track IR. A typical man will have a face full of panel, and the top of the door on your left. As you taxi, you get to see where you will end up on take off... up...  you have to sit up and lean forward to see where you are going on the ground... which is the first most important thing before doing anything related to the machines intended purpose. In the air you will get a shore neck ducking below the door to see the 747 about to T-bone you in mid air. The sounds are also chainsaw based.

 

This one is a pass... maybe the 177RG and it's fixed wing brother are better in the seeing department... but alas... they are slow.

 

Because I'm in 50 bucks deep (AreZone 210 sounds required... not an option), I tried to get used to it... but one trip over BlueSky sealed its fate... My original purpose to have a high winger for sight seeing with real speed was crashed, and burned.

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I don't think this is restricted to th C210 or Carenado or highwings only. I think it has more to do with a flat 2d monitor and attempting to recreate a 3d object. I also have Exdok and TrackIR but I only have a vertical problem with these type aircraft. When I get the panel and view forward correct for me the wing is too low for me. Once up in the air I don't notice the sightline so much as I set it for a correct wingtip view and I have thousands of hours in real Cessnas.

 

Regards,

 

Ray

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I've always puzzled about this issue.  It makes no sense.  In real Cessnas I had zero problem seeing out the side.  If you look at the virtual pilot in the seat, where's his eye?  Can he see outside the side window?  What is his eye level with?  If you match that view best you can from the side, what do you then see directly in front of you?  Is it what he sees?  I use EZDoc to look to the side so I cheat...I lower my view.  But, I might make more of an effort on this and try to figure out why.  Try to figure out what, exactly, is wrong with the view.

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I think Raymar is on the spot... tying to create something on a flat panel of a 3d object. I've got a few hours in myself, and when I go to shows, my number 1 goal is to get in the left seat of all the aircraft that will allow it...  for no other reason then to get the sight lines..

 

LOL... just thinking about some of those conversations cracks me up. "You want to what? For what?? Oh oh.. simulations.. ok.. yea sure, just don't touch anything.."

 

I will admit to not having had the pleasure of sitting left seat in the 210.. so I ordered me up some you tube. Based on the average pilot, door placement and windows in that bird... well.. I just don't know what they were thinking.

 

Anyway, the reviews are always really great, and I didn't mean to sound like a sour puss.. but did want to say thanks.

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Looking at the virtual pilots in the aircraft, seems to me they'd have a tough time seeing out the side window without lowering their heads.  Looking at youtube videos like the two below, in the first, he looks like he has to scrunch down only a tiny bit.  In the second one you can see near the end of the video that he'd have to bend to see out the side.  It also looks like he should be able to see the top of the cowling but would also be able to see all the Com buttons...to me, if I see the cowling, I can't see the top row of buttons.  Some pilots are tall, some are short, and some use pillows under their rearend.

 

 

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If you want a high-winger that models a very, very encompassing viewpoint, try Flight 1's C177.  

Brilliant (realistic) view position from the VC.

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If you want a high-winger that models a very, very encompassing viewpoint, try Flight 1's C177.  

 

Brilliant (realistic) view position from the VC.

 

 

Too slow

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Actually, could the issue be TrackIR?  I think that when you're in the real world ducking your head down a bit is natural...you don't think about it.  Is it the same with TrackIR?  I'd wish they'd make a driver that would allow you to specify something other than horizontal movement when you turn your head.  Well...my brain never did get used to TrackIR so...shrugs...

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Funny about TIR... it does take some time to acclimate to it... I'm so acclimated to it now, in RW I now turn my head before my eyes, and i get a chuckle from doing so... but no.. TIR follows my head movements in all directions, 360. If I slump down, I will in the sim as well. I'm a little spoiled by far better AC sight lines like the Meridian/Matrix/Malibu class, Bonanza/Baron, Duke, PC12, and the King Airs, etc. In fact, my entire hanger inventory is pretty good, save the 210. The whole point of TIR is to allow you to sit naturally in the cockpit... and having seen the various 210 videos, I'm sure the RW sight lines are just as hideous as the sim one.

 

Sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you. No biggie. Maybe down the road, someone will make the Extra 500 with its wrap around, and ample windshield.

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I love the views from the Malibu.  Great plane to fly.

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..Carenado came out with the X-Plane 11 version of this AC, I was wondering if somebody is willing to post an updated review ?

 

Cheers

 

Yair

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