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Hey, what do guys recommend for a (about 8 seats total, including pilots) corporate jet. I am looking for something that has a real nice looking cabin too. I know the mustang is out there but I want something bigger. Some I looked at have a 'cartoonish' interior.Thanks!!

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Nothing... I hear ya though... we need a good falcon 900ex or global jet...Options are Eaglesoft Citation X (dated now in the graphics department but an excellent plane with FMS/VNAV etc etc)Their other CJ1 2.0Wilco Embraer Phenom:http://www.wilcopub.com/catalog/product/view/_ignore_category/1/id/6156/s/phenom-i00-by-embraer/category/4/A bit more lite on the systems but we are sparse on bizjet choices for FSX...I personally use the PMDG NGX has a BBJ :)

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I agree I think a smartly done Falcon 900 would fill the corporate niche nicely.Seems we have every flavor, make, model, tail number and paint scheme of nearly every single airliner known to man, but so few corporate jets.Developers often defend this by saying there isn't a market for them, yet anytime someone does put out something like Eaglesofts wonderful Citation jets they sell 'em like hotcakes. I know of the legal dust up the simming community had with Gulfstream a few years back, so be it... Dassault seems to be very open to having their various jets modeled for FS.Perhaps a Challenger or Global Express?

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The PMDG 737 NGX 600/700 series has some corporate models available. FWIW the PMDG NGX is BY FAR the best simulation experience available for FSX IMO. It's a bit spendy but well worth it. I spend a lot of money on add-ons. Since acquiring the NGX, I have uninstalled everything else except the RealAir Duke because I have been hooked on the NGX. It's that good. And I come from days of old. So, I was boycotting glass. But the NGX changed me.

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The PMDG 737 NGX 600/700 series has some corporate models available. FWIW the PMDG NGX is BY FAR the best simulation experience available for FSX IMO. It's a bit spendy but well worth it. I spend a lot of money on add-ons. Since acquiring the NGX, I have uninstalled everything else except the RealAir Duke because I have been hooked on the NGX. It's that good. And I come from days of old. So, I was boycotting glass. But the NGX changed me.
I would agree with that, I flew the EagleSoft Citation X a lot until the NGX came out, not really touched it since. I can live with the 700 and a BBJ livery until the BBJ add-on comes out !!G

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Well I agree the PMDG stuff is top shelf but the 737 is an airliner converted (aka painted) into bizjet... I think the topic was addressing the need of a dedicated midsize cabin business jet...

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I wish Flight1 would do a Citation Excel (560) or Sovereign (680)It would be right in their ballpark :)

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How about the Xtreme Prototypes Learjet 20 Series? They´re a bit old from an avionics view (no FMC or autothrottle) but they look and fly very nice and fast. :(

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Hey, what do guys recommend for a (about 8 seats total, including pilots) corporate jet. I am looking for something that has a real nice looking cabin too. I know the mustang is out there but I want something bigger. Some I looked at have a 'cartoonish' interior.Thanks!!
Check the Eaglesoft lineup

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Is it still in development though? I thought it was cancelled... maybe that was another jet.

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Is it still in development though? I thought it was cancelled... maybe that was another jet.
Take a look for yourself Ryan..We're slowing un mothballing it. :(

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Thanks everyone...The BBJ is a big bigger than I was looking for. As far as the eaglesoft, I just registered for the forums to poke around. I wish the interiors on the CJ1 , Beechjet and Citation II were a bit more like the Mustangs (crisp). I'll look more at the PC-12 and the learjet.Again, thanks and keep 'em coming if there are more.

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Well I agree the PMDG stuff is top shelf but the 737 is an airliner converted (aka painted) into bizjet... I think the topic was addressing the need of a dedicated midsize cabin business jet...
Oh, so sorry. My screen showed the topic as "Best Corporate" not "dedicated midsize cabin business jet". Guess I'll have to look into a new monitor. LOL! If you put eight seats in a 600 series, it would be a pretty darn nice corporate ride. :( Maybe I should have kept my mouth shut though. Sorry if I stepped on your toes. Have a good day!

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I wish the interiors on the CJ1 , Beechjet and Citation II were a bit more like the Mustangs (crisp
If they are not 'crisp' on your machine, its either the screen shot you are looking at (most likely) or a setting on your machine. I fly the CJ1 and CX since V1 and they are superb.

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I'd personally LOVE a Gulfstream, ANY variant...but, when I used to live very near Savannah, GA, I heard they shot down the ideas from multiple dev's because of copywrite. :( Oh, well, guess I wait for something else. :)

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Seems we have every flavor, make, model, tail number and paint scheme of nearly every single airliner known to man, but so few corporate jets.
A modern biz jet has avionics that are many times more complex than anything we've seen for FS. They also don't sell as well as the heavies. Why spend that much time and money developing something that won't sell even half as well as a Boeing?

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My corporate favorites are Eaglesoft Beechjet and Citation II. I agree with Ryan, a good Excel or Sovereign would serve us well. It is funny but sad that the Gulfstream copywrite issue prevents us from having quality simulated aircraft. If you are using multiple sims and have X-Plane there is a payware G650 and a payware Gulfstream II produced by 3rd party developers. I don't recall hearing about any trouble with those planes being released.

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Why spend that much time and money developing something that won't sell even half as well as a Boeing?
For the love of it....ever ridden in one? Quite an experience. :( Our thanks to all who support and enjoy our efforts. :(

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A modern biz jet has avionics that are many times more complex than anything we've seen for FS. They also don't sell as well as the heavies. Why spend that much time and money developing something that won't sell even half as well as a Boeing?
The selling part is speculative at best, we don't have enough samples out there to draw that conclusion yet.But I'd bet you a steak dinner if PMDG put their full weight behind the development of say a nice Falcon 900EX and did it up to the quality of their NGX it'd sell like mad. And as far as complexity goes, there are many extremely complex airliners out there and many more not he way and many talented developers who model them to a "T"...Its more than likely driven by what those who populate this hobby want, just look at the screen shot forums and especially the airliner photo hosting forums. Its clear most everyone hear fashions themselves the Captain of some 747/777 or A340 hauling piles of self loading freight across the Atlantic or Pacific. While in their own sim-land... I also think this drives the lust for full automation in that same crowd, those who want to plug in a flight plan into the FMC, launch in to the sky, auto-pilot engaged complete with auto-throttle then go hit X-box, watch a movie on TV or just goof off. Then come back a few hours later for the landing...The idea of replicating actual flying doesn't appeal to most here.Flying a CRJ to and from a a given pair of airports hub and spoke style, on flights of less than 2 hrs. Or flying a Citation, King Air or other small corporate plane on a three leg trip, with legs of less than an hour duration appeals to very few.Corporate jets do populate the major Class B airports, but most of them, the vast majority of them are in places like small Class C airports or uncontrolled fields which are located closer to company properties... I think this mindset is why we don't have a quality list of bizjets from all major developers.Eaglesoft has a nice line of offerings, I own several of them. And I look forward to the King Air C90 Carenado has in the pipeline. In reality corporate aviation and general aviation flight completely eclipse the numbers of airline flights by leaps and bounds each day. But, while a Falcon 900EX or 7X might cause all to pause and marvel over its elegance, it seems to stir the imaginations of very few here... who again want to drive 747's on long haul trips... trips mind you they won't even be seated at the computer for 90% of. While letting automation do everything...Its nice to see jets w/o auto throttles, its nicer to see jets with actual gauges in them.I saw in the JetPROP post where many were complaining about the lack of a DME. While I fully understand this is a glass plane and yes that needs a DME. It made me laugh a bit... as I'd much rather see an early JetPROP modeled, one with steam gauges and maybe a bear bones bendix/King GNS, over the Space Shuttle displays in it now...

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Corporate jets do populate the major Class B airports, but most of them, the vast majority of them are in places like small Class C airports or uncontrolled fields which are located closer to company properties...
And many of those flights don't fill up six seats be they CJ1+ or B200. Definitely a niche type of flight. :(

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I saw in the JetPROP post where many were complaining about the lack of a DME. While I fully understand this is a glass plane and yes that needs a DME. It made me laugh a bit... as I'd much rather see an early JetPROP modeled, one with steam gauges and maybe a bear bones bendix/King GNS, over the Space Shuttle displays in it now...
That was me whining about the lack of DME. I'd LOVE to have the jetprop's right seat look like the left seat in terms of instruments.

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Our thanks to all who support and enjoy our efforts
And our thanks to you Ron and your team for providing some excellant quality bizjets, as well as others. I have literally 1000's of hours in the CJ1+ ( I wonder how many know what the "+" stands for :-). It is my all time favorite plane in FSX and among other things, have flown it on 5 'round the world' flights. I still use V1 since it's now a family member :-)

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