As you can see from the title of this post I was not happy with Flight when it released. Due to a couple of mistakes on my part, first in assumming that is was going to be FSXI. That it is not, My second mistake was comparing the two and you can't FSX is a "As real as it gets" real world flight simulator, and Flight is a video game that will hopefully lead many new people to enjoy FSX as many of us do now.So why the change of heart? I'll tell you why. My grandsons 10 and 12 cannot get enough of Flight, They have assummed control of my desktop and laptop because of course they both want to fly at the same time.Glad I kept that old joystick after all.No longer do I hear the sounds of gunfire and explosions and people getting shot and killed and them laughing about it. Now all they want to do is fly, and with only two days on Flight they both can land the little boatplane on the water and on a runway.Lastnight the 12 year old actually landed the 172 at LSZH in FSX all by himself minus a little verbal help from me, It wasn't down the zipper or very pretty for that matter but he didn't crash and as we all know any landing you can walk away from is a good landing...lol they both are asking me about pitch roll and yaw without knowing thats what they were asking but now they do know what it is. And when I get a chance to fire up FSX and fly myself ( not so much the last two days) they are both sitting beside me asking all kinds of questions.So for that and them not so interested in shooting and blowing people up this week I have to send out a big THANK YOU to MS. I guess if they are still into Flight in a couple of weeks and I don't see that changing anytime soon I will unlock Hawaii for them (still don't care for the al a carte deal) Just release the thing for 60 bucks and be done with it already. Actually PLEASE release the game on a disc they can stick in their X-Box's so I can have my computer back...lol. Again Flight is not for me personally and I will always have FSX so I don't have to like it for me but for opening up a starting point for future FSX simmers, building a brigde between the two and instilling an interest in flying in my boys I have to say thank you MS Job well done, Maybe you did know what you were doing after all. In closing I would like to say On the success of Flight would you guys at MS pretty please at least think about putting out an SP3 for FSX, Having a few hundred thousand more very happy customers can't be a bad thing, Sincerely, James

Nice post, seems a few are changing their minds about Flight . I have only spent an hour or so with it, but having fun with it so far. Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk

It wasnt the intinitial use of Flight that made me come to the conclusion it wasn't for me. It was the long term, a couple weeks. In the beginning, It was nice and new, like a new and refreshing restaurant or night club and very popular. But I found it to be unsustainable as far as interest. Get a new island, do the missions etc. Basically they are all the same as the original only in a different location. perhaps it my elderly ADHD.

Edited March 3, 201214 yr by Barnstormer1

Basically they are all the same as the original only in a different location. perhaps it my elderly ADHD.

Isn't that the same in other sims...? A lot of hardcore simmers do nothing else but repeat the same procedures day after day: only the departure and destination airports (may) differ. I mean, that you don't like MS Flight can't just be because of the fact that MS Flight is repetitive, because so it FSX. I can imagine someone saying MS Flight is not for them because they miss the depth of for instance the PMDG planes, but repetitiveness...?

worrying potential business model for this product ...Play Flight (free version) - and if you like it- and get into it - then buy FSX :)

worrying potential business model for this product ...Play Flight (free version) - and if you like it- and get into it - then buy FSX :)

Should we be worried..?

Isn't that the same in other sims...? A lot of hardcore simmers do nothing else but repeat the same procedures day after day: only the departure and destination airports (may) differ. I mean, that you don't like MS Flight can't just be because of the fact that MS Flight is repetitive, because so it FSX. I can imagine someone saying MS Flight is not for them because they miss the depth of for instance the PMDG planes, but repetitiveness...?

While it is true that there are people like that....On some days, I look out my window and say "How awful it looks out there, it's a great day to fly." So I fire up FSX, set the real-time weather and pick a small plane and see what it would be like to fly in from somewhere.Other times I just continue my world tour, with the latest plane I checked myself out on. This can be jet or a twin prop and it depends mostly on the airports I intend to use, sometimes small and remote, sometimes big busy ones.Hardly any repetition at all, because I mostly fly to places I have never been before.I wasn't going to bring up FSX, but you did, so I figure it is fair game.

Flight has potential, that's for sure, only ATC, jets made in an accurate and PMDG way, wider " regions " AKA great portion of continents , landing replays and a bunch of missing feature will determine if Flight will take off or if it will keep on rolling on the runway.

James,I think you really are on to something here. Yes, a lot of experienced flight sim enthusiasts probably are not going to get a lot out of Flight initially. I was on the Beta and missed having AI traffic, ATC, etc. But, my five and seven year old kids were all over it and before I knew it we were having discussions about Bernoulli's principle. So Flight is pretty, runs great on my four year old rig, and engages my children and me in scientific discussions about aviation. Since I am an engineer and mathematician, this thrills me!Another thing about Flight that I thought was interesting was that I could not turn off crashes like I can in FSX. My kids would just "mow" the terrain in FSX with abandon and then Flight came and they started asking why the plane crashed. Mind you, I can turn off that feature in FSX as well, but I don't have that choice in Flight -- crashes are on all the time. Hence, you have to learn at least a little about flying a plane. Plus, it's pretty fun to hear chickens go nuts in some of the cargo runs. I'll be keeping an eye on this to see how it develops. Sincerely,Joshua

Edited March 3, 201214 yr by jbroadwa

Can we say selective presentation, boys and girls?

Isn't that the same in other sims...? A lot of hardcore simmers do nothing else but repeat the same procedures day after day: only the departure and destination airports (may) differ. I mean, that you don't like MS Flight can't just be because of the fact that MS Flight is repetitive, because so it FSX. I can imagine someone saying MS Flight is not for them because they miss the depth of for instance the PMDG planes, but repetitiveness...?

You are flying over 1 island with 4 planes and you are talking about repetitivenes of the FSX??.You can't deceive the people no matter how hard you try.

Edited March 3, 201214 yr by ozgur77

(Post reference removed by admin per http://forum.avsim.net/topic/359308-important-please-read-important/)A simulator is a program that accurately recreates certain features of a system. In a flight simulator the most important features are the flight dynamics of the aircraft. Flight most definitely simulates those correctly (or at least as well as any other piece of consumer-market software). Just because the plane in the video is flying through hoops doesn't mean that its flight dynamics aren't correct.

Edited March 3, 201214 yr by Like The Bank

worrying potential business model for this product ...Play Flight (free version) - and if you like it- and get into it - then buy FSX :)

I don't understand why you would say this is a worrying business model? You honestly don't think that MS Thought they would see an increase in FSX sales eventually after releasing a very cool flying video game marketed to the gamer demographic. Of course they did! almost all good video games have a part 2,3,4 and so on and they sometimes sell more units than the original why? because the people that are into it want to be challenged more and more. Same with Flight the ones that really get hooked on it will get bored with flying in that one lonely area and they will end up purchasing all of the al a carte add-on areas all the while learning how to fly it is an advanced video game after all. then at some point they will want an even bigger more realistic challenge, and thats when they will purchase FSX. Then they will start purchasing FSX add-ons then some will eventually book a discovery flight one weekend. Once you fly a real plane then you really get serious about FSX thats when you have to have PMDG aircraft and everything as real as it can be I mean lets face it if you did not decide that you wanted to be an airline pilot in your college days you may still get your PPL and fly cessnas or maybe even get type rated in a single pilot light jet one day but you will never fly a real 737 or 747 or A-380 FSX is the only way you will ever be able to live out that fantasy and when you do you want it as real as it can be. And thats what FSX is to a lot of people in the flight sim community the only way most of us will ever fly big iron. And FSX is a great training tool as well a lot of real world pilots use FSX to practice failures that they can't do and don't want to have to do in real life. So if Flight gets people into flying and they move into an even more realistic virtual world of flight (FSX) and sells go up for all of the companys making add-ons for FSX and then some go into the real world of flight, that sounds like a great business model to me and a huge win overall for the aviation community as a whole simulated and real world!!

@ozgur77 here's why your post was deleted:http://forum.avsim.net/topic/359308-important-please-read-important/

I read an article that was saying when MS disbanded the Aces team, Lockheed/Martin hired them and they are responsible for the new Prepar3d. And that is what FSXI would have been and or now is But is made by LM instead of MS?