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What should I do with the pirates I've caught?

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Since piracy is being discussed currently in the Hangar Chat forum, I'll throw this one out to the peanut gallery.

 

I've caught several pirates red-handed with my new FS2Crew NGX product.

 

A few of them are Avsim members.

 

What should I do with them?

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I get it all the time, not much that can be done except block them from any support.

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Make them walk the plank?

 

You have no idea how much I resisted posting that..

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I thought about doing a "Shame the Johns" style campaign but instead of writing their IPs (aka their License Plate Numbers) down on the road in front of my apartment, I'd thought I'd publish their names in my forum.

 

Maybe as an alternate punishment I can make them attend "Pirate School" where they learn about how piracy damages mom and pop Indie developers like FS2Crew.

 

But I don't know... I try to keep things positive in my forum... Getting nasty can turn people off as well.

 

And FS2Crew is just a tiny Indie developer, I don't have the resources to hire lawyers and sue people in foreign countries.

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Personally I would post them right here if You are dead nuts sure who they are so we know who to avoid.

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You have no idea how much I resisted posting that..

 

I clearly lack your willpower!

 

Personally I would post them right here if You are dead nuts sure who they are so we know who to avoid.

 

Aye - a name and shame is a possibility if you are dead-on, absolutely sure beyond all shadow of a doubt that you have them bang to rights...

 

I am sure that those accused will deny it vehemently though and it just becomes one word against another.

 

Hmm.

 

Have you asked them directly to do the right thing and pay you for your product if they are using it?

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Contact them, explain how their actions are selfish and irresponsible, how they hurt you and the wider FS addon industry, and invite them to do the right thing and actually pay for the product they have pirated.

 

If they fail to give a satisfactory response then name and shame them.

 

It also might be worth passing their details on to PMDG as if they have pirated FS2Crew for the NGX then I would expect they may very hall have pirated the NGX as well.

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I've contacted some... some realized the gig was up and they actually bought the software.

 

One guy was actually really remorseful that he had done it, and he bought the software.

 

Others, however, just simply ignore your emails.

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Give them a get out of jail free by letting them know you know and asking them to buy the product, and if not, name and shame. If you have their e-mail, let it be known, 10-15 emails from different people condemning your actions may well shame them into buying. Of course if they do buy after being named and shamed let that be know also, otherwise it'd seem a tad spiteful....

 

Ró.

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It is slightly funny how they go silent once they know you are on to them. What amazes me is that they have the cheek to try and install cracked software then send angry emails because they cant get it to work!

 

My favourite excuses are ‘A friend bought it for me’ or ‘my machine was wiped and I lost all my details’ ok no problem, please provide the email address you used to purchase, I’ll check my records and speak to flight1. Silence…….

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asking them to buy the product, and if not, name and shame

 

Exactly.

 

Moreover, if you know they are Avsim members, maybe let Tom know.

I am not sure he would like to have them as a part of our community.

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Exactly.

 

Moreover, if you know they are Avsim members, maybe let Tom know.

I am not sure he would like to have them as a part of our community.

 

+1 These are the sort of w*****s that ruin it for everyone else, forcing small companies to close and in some cases making devs raise their prices.

 

If u cant afford it do what we all do.....SAVE UP FOR IT.

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Hey Bryan, I agree with everything the guys have said, in particular Rafal. Maybe give the guys who are remorseful and offered to pay a second chance, but for those arses who have blatantly ignored any of your emails, let Tom know and ensure they are banned from this forum. You may also like to bring their antics to the attention of other forum admins too. It's one thing holding one's head in shame when confronted with the victim of your cyber crime and offering to make amends, but for those who stick two fingers up, I'd say sod 'em and take all measures to make their lives miserable!

 

 

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I am very cynical about those who hold their heads in shame when confronted with the victim of crime and offer to make amends after they've been found out.,

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We have no problem banning pirates. But accusing someone of piracy without iron clad proof and being able to defend that proof in a court of law are two different things. If it were as easy as throwing an IP out there, the music industry would have shut down piracy years ago. Bryan, if you don't have a lawyer or two sitting at your elbow, be very careful how you walk down this path.

 

Bryan, send me an email and let me know who you think the suspects are. Do not post them here or in any forum.

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Maybe find out why they pirated your software.. There could be a couple reasons (not that it makes it okay), didn't have the money, wanted to try before buy, or because they just didn't want to spend the money..

 

The ones that are remorseful, I wouldn't say you should not shame them as they apparently already feel bad and did indeed buy your product. The ones that ignore your email, well that is up to you what you do, let AVSIM handle their users and if Tom bans them, then you can rest assured some pirates will not get support. That raises a question though if they were to buy your product in the future would you deny them support?

 

Also you would have to be pretty sure your banning the correct person and that you have concrete proof they did what your accusing them of.. I myself have been falsely accused (not of piracy, but of posting a products link before publishing) on a website's forum and was banned. I was able to show proof that my forum account was used for nefarious purposes to the admin of that particular forum and was allowed to re-register. Was a lesson to always use malware bytes on my pc but thats another story..:)

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Well Bryan, I would not publicly admit you don't have the financial resources to hire lawyers. Somethings are better left for people to assume.

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Bryan, if you don't have a lawyer or two sitting at your elbow, be very careful how you walk down this path.

 

I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw some of the suggestions being posted. Last thing you need to do is shame someone, expose their IP and/or email, and end up getting sued yourself. It's kind of like the situation where someone tries to break into your house, falls through a sky light, then ends up suing the property owner and winning. As much as I am against pirating and would love to expose and embarrass the guilty if I were in your shoes, I would also make sure your adequately protected should one of the exposed try to turn it around on you and take you to court. I know it sounds insane, but it's amazing what crooks and thieves have gotten away with in situations like this when they took the accuser to court.

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Since piracy is being discussed currently in the Hangar Chat forum, I'll throw this one out to the peanut gallery.

 

I've caught several pirates red-handed with my new FS2Crew NGX product.

 

A few of them are Avsim members.

 

What should I do with them?

 

Post the offender's in a thread. That'd make them go away :) A "Wall of Shame" *kidding*

 

My Jerry Springer side would enjoy that thread, though...

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One of the funniest things is anti piracy measures that make the thieves admit their own guilt.

 

Bohemia Interactive has a great one with FADE and another game developer I used to associate with has a good one where if you installed pirated models and tried to use them in the game your entire screen would render in some crazy fractal display of colors. It never failed to make me laugh when someone would sign up to a community forum and post something like "Hi guys I just bought ____ off Steam but every time I try to use it my screen explodes with a bunch of weird lines all over the place. What am I doing wrong?".. Same sort of posts pop up on Bohemias game support forums: "Take On Helicopters screen gets all blurry and watery after I play for a bit, is my hardware failing??". They sealed their own fate and immediately get the ban hammer.

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One of the funniest things is anti piracy measures that make the thieves admit their own guilt.

 

Bohemia Interactive Studio has a great one with FADE and another game developer I used to associate with has a good one where if you installed pirated models and tried to use them in the game your entire screen would render in some crazy fractal display of colors. It never failed to make me laugh when someone would sign up to a community forum and post something like "Hi guys I just bought ____ off Steam but every time I try to use it my screen explodes with a bunch of weird lines all over the place. What am I doing wrong?".. Same sort of posts pop up on Bohemias game support forums: "Take On Helicopters screen gets all blurry and watery after I play for a bit, is my hardware failing??". They sealed their own fate and immediately get the ban hammer.

 

Well, be mindful that I suffered from "FADE" with ARMA 2, but had a legally purchased copy on STEAM. Had I embarrassed myself on the forums, I would have been livid.

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Well, be mindful that I suffered from "FADE" with ARMA 2, but had a legally purchased copy on STEAM. Had I embarrassed myself on the forums, I would have been livid.

 

I should have added, the admins ask for their invoice # / Proof Of Purchase first and 99.9% of the time they can't produce it.

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