No matter how flawless the logic of an argument appears, if it is based on a false premise, the conclusion will be wrong. Most if not all of the "I hate Flight and I am not happy that some people like it crowd" start their irrational hate spew from an untenable position that they nevertheless cling to kicking and screaming when they could be enjoying FSX or one of the also-rans. I have no intention of debating those who don't like Flight. My time is worth way more than that. Believe what you will, I don't care.

 

Or in other words, like somebody else pointed out recently:

 

 

:LMAO:

Yea yea you have right to have your own opinion and I have mine.

 

I do not hate Flight, just wanted to point out areas where Flight lacks in my opinion.

I am all for pointing out flaws but when does it go from reporting flaws to whining constantly about a product?

 

I think Flight is a stepping stone for those who would never have flown to those who now fly regularly in Flight.

 

I think Flight is great. I have turned at least 10-15 people onto it and they like it as well. Like me some are purchasing the addons and some aren't. I know some of you complain about the P51 Red Tail not having a VC but I look at it this way. They could have easily released it as a paint scheme for the existing P51 and made you buy it if you wanted it but they didn't. So now we have 3 free planes to enjoy!. And unlike me a few freinds didn't have to spend money to get the P51 which i am ok with. we did a run the other night and i wish i got a screen because there was 6 or 8 of us flying in formation in the Red Tails and it was pretty cool.

I also find the tunning of the FMs in the cockpitless aircraft very well done. Since it would be difficult to control such planes without proper rudder and aleron trim, as well as other systems control, the FMs are tuned in such a way that while reproducing some of the main characteristics of each aircraft are present but you can manouver it eiher from outside views or from the inside using the pan controls, without having to fight effects that would be rather difficult to overcome without access to instruments/systems.

 

I really enjoy flying all of the aircraft in MS FLIGHT :-)

In few years Flight might be dead anyway. Also I have seen more superior flight model in many advanced third party addons for FSX, such as Milviz B55. It is just same old FS flight model with some tweaks.

 

And just because Flight is made by Microsoft does not mean that it is future of flight simulation as there is competitors such as X plane. Flight lacks too much at the moment to be used for simulating for example complete general aviation flight beetween some Hawaiian islands, especially proper ATC is one major thing needed for that, and Flight does not support IVAO or any other similar third party addons with human ATC.

 

Yes FSX did miss a lot of things before third party made them, but this time there is no third party to make these things of course and small Flight team will be never capable to do all that.

 

Yes exactly Flight will never be FS11. But also I highly believe that new FS is what most of simulator crowd wants, and that's why future of flight simulation will be X plane.

 

Flight will probably stay like it is, mix of simulation and simple flying game. If they implement ATC and third party support it could be good general aviation simulator, but I highly doubt that as they seem to think that they make better money by selling these DLC aircrafts and sceneries (later partially just copied from FSX) themselves.

 

Those who want to follow real procedures and do things like they are done in real life most likely are going to miss nothing. Personally I wish Flight to be success as it might at best case bring some people to more interesting simulation world of FSX and X plane and that way grow the community for these great simulators. But I can't imagine game mostly based on graphics from 6 year old game sustaining itself through years by just adding DLCs same way as some role playing games do...

 

It just doesn't work that way with this game genre.

 

Agreed..

 

BTW do you guys think that 50 devs are still working on this game? I would seriously doubt 50 are still working on this game considering that the post release DLC that has come out consists of cockpit less planes.

 

MS really needs to make a decision on this title. either put some resources in it or pull the plug.

Agreed..

 

BTW do you guys think that 50 devs are still working on this game? I would seriously doubt 50 are still working on this game considering that the post release DLC that has come out consists of cockpit less planes.

 

MS really needs to make a decision on this title. either put some resources in it or pull the plug.

 

This getting old... It seems you didn't read the news about the upcoming update and it also seems you don't have a clue how this all works... They have been working on other things too, you know... It's not that they ONLY have been working on those cockpitless planes! They have also been working on Alaska and on some new planes. They have been working on the core update that has been announced (see the sticky topic on this forum). And they probably are already working on the next region too. And I am sure they are also working on things we know nothing about yet!

 

MS clearly already made a decision on this title and it certainly is NOT pulling the plug.

I think the trolls will be in decline over the next few months.

Give it all some time :-)

 

MS FLIGHT is the future reference in terms of civil flight simulation...

I think the trolls will be in decline over the next few months.

 

Are you kidding? Some of the FS9 guys still complain about FSX. :Waiting:

As much as I had hoped it would be, I just can't see Flight being a hard core simulator for about another 5-10 years. At this rate, we might have a reasonable selection of places to fly and a good selection of aircraft in about 5 years. They really need to pick up the pace. Lots of people have lost interest. I really want Flight to be a huge success for them, as it would keep them in the flight sim market.

MS really needs to make a decision on this title. either put some resources in it or pull the plug.

 

I would merely point out, it has been less than 4 months since initial release. Based on what I have read so far, there is a lot coming with the Alaska DLC, including a title update and many square miles of additional scenery, and hopefully some additional planes with VC's.

 

I personally think, they are just getting started...

And I myself am pretty darn excited.

This getting old... It seems you didn't read the news about the upcoming update and it also seems you don't have a clue how this all works... They have been working on other things too, you know... It's not that they ONLY have been working on those cockpitless planes! They have also been working on Alaska and on some new planes. They have been working on the core update that has been announced (see the sticky topic on this forum). And they probably are already working on the next region too. And I am sure they are also working on things we know nothing about yet!

 

MS clearly already made a decision on this title and it certainly is NOT pulling the plug.

 

I may be wrong but I would think 50 devs full time would be able to get a lot more out the door then they have.

 

Maybe they are working on lots of other things, or maybe a few guys are kind of working on it and flight is dying. Neither one of us knows what is going on behind the scenes, so please don't act like you have some sort of inside info.

 

I may not be a fan of Flight in it's current form but I am not a troll, I would like to see them open it up to the 3PD's and a few other changes made. Where else am I supposed to express what I think of the game that MS made. Or am I supposed to keep my opinion to myself because it does not fit into the pep rally

I think the trolls will be in decline over the next few months.

I see no trolls at all in this forum anymore. Those are people who intentionally try to make other people upset, not people who just have different opinion from yours.

 

 

As much as I had hoped it would be, I just can't see Flight being a hard core simulator for about another 5-10 years. At this rate, we might have a reasonable selection of places to fly and a good selection of aircraft in about 5 years. They really need to pick up the pace. Lots of people have lost interest. I really want Flight to be a huge success for them, as it would keep them in the flight sim market.

True. I think slow rate of DLCs getting out is main problem with Flight. It is clearly not very high budget project and likely has small team working on these DLCs, they simply have no way to come even close what hundreds of third party developers have made for FSX for example.

 

Making decent quality addons really does take effort and time... And Alaska won't last forever, users are going to demand more areas to fly in. Also Alaska is still relatively quick to do when compared to same sized area from somewhere with more towns and airports that are needed to be made unique instead of just planting generic forests all around like you can do much in Alaska.

 

 

What Flight would need is more people to make these DLCs, and that's where third party would be useful. If these addons were sold only through Steam/LIVE Microsoft would still get part of their profit.

I see no trolls at all in this forum anymore. Those are people who intentionally try to make other people upset, not people who just have different opinion from yours.

 

 

 

True. I think slow rate of DLCs getting out is main problem with Flight. It is clearly not very high budget project and likely has small team working on these DLCs, they simply have no way to come even close what hundreds of third party developers have made for FSX for example.

 

Making decent quality addons really does take effort and time... And Alaska won't last forever, users are going to demand more areas to fly in. Also Alaska is still relatively quick to do when compared to same sized area from somewhere with more towns and airports that are needed to be made unique instead of just planting generic forests all around like you can do much in Alaska.

 

 

What Flight would need is more people to make these DLCs, and that's where third party would be useful. If these addons were sold only through Steam/LIVE Microsoft would still get part of their profit.

 

 

Again this is pure speculation but much of the work on alaska was probably done prior to the game being released or very soon after release. The budget on this game must be TINY.. no way 50 people are working on this full time.

 

I hope MS opens flight up to 3PD's. The pace of the DLC being released is way too slow.. Plus the DLC that has been released has been underwhelming at best.. The rest of Hawaii, two full planes and a bunch of cockpit less warplanes.

 

The attention span of the gaming market is SHORT.. they need to get a move on this

 

 

The attention span of the gaming market is SHORT.. they need to get a move on this

 

And yet, oddly, the impatience seems to come mostly from the 'hard core' simmers... not the short attention span gamers...