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747-400 being phased out by airlines

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Hi everyone. I had stumbled upon an interesting read on the 747-400, and the impact that current high fuel costs (a third of an airline's typical costs) have had on this model, leading to a 10% discount on used airframes as young as just 10 years old, compared to other aircraft of similar vintage.

 

Be aware, the author makes little mention of the new -8 series, and some commenters sense it's biased towards Airbus, but IMHO it helps explain why Asian carriers are abandoning the 4 engine heavies in favor of twins like the 777 and A330 in an effort to cut fuel costs.

 

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-21/boeings-747-400-a-faded-queen-of-the-skies

 

It's sad, it does look like the ole Queen is heading towards an early retirement.

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No retirement for a very long time. She will be flying raw data approaches into exotic cargo destinations for many years to come :)

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No retirement for a very long time. She will be flying raw data approaches into exotic cargo destinations for many years to come :)

 

Amen to that Rob!

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Air NZ have sent most of their 747's to Victorville. Only two left now, and those two will be off to the scrapper within the next 18 months, being replaced with 777 and 787.

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United will eventually replace theirs with A350's, but no time frame on that.

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United will eventually replace theirs with A350's, but no time frame on that.

 

The A350 is expected to be delivered sometime after 2015. So a few more years left for UA's 744s. Maybe by then the 748 will perform a little better in the passenger market.

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The A380's early timing has also put a major dent in the 747 program with over 200 orders.

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I think there is still life left in the Queen. Delta is refurbishing their 747s so they plan to keep the old girl around. So there is life in the girl. Long live the Queen!

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The 744 may be on the way out, and as many have stated, that's still a long way, but the 748s should take over atleast a bit and keep the Queen's legacy for a looooong time

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wondering why nobody mention ths for exmaple

I am wondering how we could if we did not know

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The 744 may be on the way out, and as many have stated, that's still a long way, but the 748s should take over atleast a bit and keep the Queen's legacy for a looooong time

"nobody" have bought the 748, at least not the 748-i. The sales figures have been very underwhelming

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Beacuse the 748 isn't primarily aimed for the PAX market, as you can see in the sales numbers as well.

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Qantas still has about 7 years left on their 6 744ERs (The only six PAX 744ERs ordered) but some of the earlier 744s are being sent to Victorville.

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Korean Air and Arik Air have ordered 5 and 2 respectively, and there have also been some non disclosed VIP orders.

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I'm sure I'd be able to buy one if I sold all my flightsim stuff :)

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It is sad for me that such an icon is slowly beginning to fade. I used to watch the 200's and 300's roll in and out of heathrow from the roof when I was a kid. The 400 was even better. I only hope that more airlines pick up the 747-8. Don't get me wrong watching the a380 do its thing is quite a spectacle but even as an airbus fan I have to admit it is ugly from some angles. The 747 has something about it. Some kind of character.

 

Regards

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It's really a shame, although the current -400 version IS +20 years old for some carriers. Thankfully KLM and BA seem to keeping theirs in the fleet. I've only flown twice in the 747-400 (KLM and Thai) and I hope I will get to fly a lot more with it. I chose a ticket that costed around 150€ extra, just to fly with KLM 747-400, instead of KQ 767-300. (which is awesome too!)

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which is awesome too

 

The 767 may be awesome, but nothing compares to the Queen.

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The 767 may be awesome, but nothing compares to the Queen.

 

True dat!

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To me, the 747 forever remains a classy icon in aviation. One can't help but think of how majestic a BA 744 looks on final.

 

As one youtube user put it "The 747 is like the Empire State Building, exceeded by others in size, but forever an icon"

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Ive read another article, seems like in the fast growing markets in Asia the 747s are no good, but in slower markets like Europe their operators still think they got life in them and still are competitive. From what I know the 747-400 is still gonna be around for a while, even with the major airlines but the only downside is the fuel costs.

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