Major problems only arose with 3rd Party addons. These addons were created in an uncoordinated manner by different developers to varying standards. In some cases, they went beyond the SDK documentation in a search for additional features.

Most of these 3rd party addons are simply graphically and as system simulation so superior to default aircraft that they cause FPS hit simply because of these things, not because of way they have been made. Of course then there are some addons just poorly modeled and cause FPS his just because of that, but I find them to be small minority.

For me the way the conversation is going right now kind of illustrates the point. Our experiences are all over the map, zigzagging wildly. Tweaks, no tweaks, few tweaks. Vanilla, non-vanilla......

 

No addons, few addons, only trusted addons.......

 

And underneath, we have all, by necessity, learned the ins and outs of the cfg and the internal FSX (or whatever) directory structure, including "simple" precautions like full backup installs for when things go wrong. (Gabled roofs, anyone?) We are so accustomed to it that we blithely say things like "Hey that's easy to fix! Just alter this line in your Config then go to the scenery folder and..........

 

This in a world where a huge number of average consumers will look at you blankly if you say something as simple as please create a new folder on your desktop.

Most of these 3rd party addons are simply graphically and as system simulation so superior to default aircraft that they cause FPS hit simply because of these things,

 

 

You make my point for me. They caused a FPS hit - full stop,

 

Setting up FSX may be daunting to new users but using Word Not Allowed's guide I was done tweaking in 10 minutes and after that I am really enoying FSX: it's runs pretty well with pretty high settings. You do not HAVE to keep on tweaking all the time...!

Absolutely. 3 or 4 tweaks in less than 10min.

 

Whats with this OP? FLIGHT, greatest thing,no giving up on that. Xplane greatest thing, no cancelled that. FSX no FSX is hard. Do we really know what we want or ever be happy ? :)

Let's face it a lot of us have spent many a 'happy' hour tweaking, and doing all that other stuff. Lots of other flight sims have come and gone and some new contenders have appeared and require the same dedication that many of us are used to.

 

Back in the day, when I grew up with what was then something new, like many I've come to expect that flying a flight sim also required a large degree of dedication, frustration and more hours buried in the guts of the machine than actually flying it.

 

Then along came Flight, initially it looked simple and didn't have anything we were used to, other than the fact it actually flew!

 

If I was at the beginning of my journey into this hobby I think Flight would have opened the door in the same way that subLogic Flight Simulator 2 did. You loaded it and flew. Imagination was required but this was all great stuff. You didn't need to tweak anything it just ran and was smooth, and the feeling of flying was (with said imagination) brilliant and I have been hooked to this day.

 

With all the things Flight didn't have compared to FSX, what it did have and still does is that amazing feeling of Flight.

 

If I was new to the hobby and was lucky enough to have a top end pc and I got FSX then maybe getting addicted to this hobby might be a possibility. I probably wouldn't have a top end pc and more likely to own a laptop, Xbox or play station.

 

As an old hand, of course I use FSX and do things in it that I can't do in Flight. And I use Flight for the things I can't do in Any other sim right now and that's to load it and ENJOY flying.

 

In all the years I've spent flying my sims I've never ever experienced so many wow moments as I have in the short time that Flight has been in existence. All the others since the old subLogic days have been somewhat disappointing, mainly because I could never have the sliders where I really wanted them. That's when the tweaking started and the constant dipping into the wallet for that better hardware which actually never seemed to make a huge amount of difference. You still couldn't max out all the sliders. I think we all know this story.

 

We haven't lost Flight, it will still function. We have lost the future of Flight and what it might have been. Both for its DLC and for what it might have done for the longevity of our hobby. I don't think it was a saviour it was just another branch, that as we all know has been a victim of some bad surgery.

 

Anyway, I'm of to get some Flight time in...

I do wonder what ingame settings you use then! FSX seems to behave completey different on every PC

 

on the scenery tab all sliders to right except mesh 5 m autogen is normal land detail textures checked no shadows. Traffic is 16% 16% airport veh low road veh 16% ships /ferries 40%. Aircraft, no shadows in or on aircraft. 3d virt cocpit hirez checked landing lights illum ground. Graphics target frames 40 1920x1081x32, Anisotropic anti-aliasing global textures very high, adv animations text continuous.

 

Weather right now is all to the left w/ detailed clouds and real time updates. global settings there say med-low. The area I fly is limited to orbx pnj , also flying NV and AZ CA with Bluesky . I fly Realair's Lanc,the KCFS seabee and Virtavia's c-17 and caribou, Alabeo's c188b and Just Flight's DC-3. My next purchase is either REX or Aerosoft's Bronco.

 

I have not been to aerosoft manhatten yet but i have a feeling that will halve my fps.

and that's to load it and ENJOY flying.

 

Well, that's exactly what I am doing now in FSX... I applied a few tweaks after installing FSX two weeks or so ago and that was it. After that I load it and ENJOY flying! I see no difference there with Flight. It's not that you ALWAYS have to tweak (as some people make it sound).

 

The problem here is of course that I am an experienced tweaker... and I also already have quite a few addons for FSX. It's easy for me to say that FSX is so much better then Flight and that someone should try it! For someone who is new to it all that would mean investing time and a LOT of money in addons (because FSX out of the box is crap imho).

 

autogen is normal

 

Ah, that explains a lot. I refuse to go lower then Very dense. Apart from that: what people call 'great performance' varies a lot, of course. I've seen people being satisfied with performance that I would call choppy and bad: it's all in the eye of the beholder.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/95214671/2012-7-31_9-59-12-449.BMP

 

I just applied a fix to the sounds file and that spray looks a lot better. Oh I also have the accufeel add-on and I run full screen.

 

Well, that's exactly what I am doing now in FSX... I applied a few tweaks after installing FSX two weeks or so ago and that was it. After that I ENJOYED flying! I see no difference there with Flight. It's not that you ALWAYS have to tweak (as some people make it sound).

 

The problem here is of course that I am an experienced tweaker... and I also already have quite a few addons for FSX. It's easy for me to say that FSX is so much better then Flight and that someone should try it! For someone who is new to it all that would mean investing time and a LOT of money in addons (because FSX out of the box is crap imho).

 

 

 

Ah, that explains a lot. I refuse to go lower then Very dense.

 

I'll start cranking that a little at a time

On jcomm, I have to agree with Bob. While I can appreciate his pasion, It's hard for me to take him seriously since his feelings on his sim of the week bounce all over the place

 

Indeed. jcomm's passion was pretty steady while Flight was still in development. Ever since Flight's shuttering though I feel like I'm on a roller coaster ride when reading his posts. I know I don't have to read them but the drama as he seems to personally struggle with finding a suitable replacement draws me in.

 

Major problems only arose with 3rd Party addons. These addons were created in an uncoordinated manner by different developers to varying standards. In some cases, they went beyond the SDK documentation in a search for additional features.

 

I think you've got a point here, and we ought to remember that we're now pushing FSX past the limits which it was orignally designed for. However, even at stock, graphics look so much better with a few tweaks. I also think you'd notice a very big improvement in frames if you ran them, even if stock settings give you acceptable performance.

Well, just a final note on this thread from me, regarding some coments about the OT ;-)

 

This time I was not saying something like I did before when I got mad at FLIGHT and uninstalled it. As a mater of fact not only do I still use FLIGHT but I have decided to buy, FSX Gold, and never said I did regret doing so.... All I was trying to point out on the OT was the kind of mess it is to setup FSX to run, even on my modern PC when compared to MS FLIGHT. After a few days, during which I had lot's a very useful help from many at the FSX forum, I was able to find my way across what I think is a stable install of MS FSX on my machine, but it certainly was a lot more heavy/stressing than installing FLIGHT DLCs and make it run smoothly on my system...

 

I was also trying to point out that FSX is a temptation for all of those who need more and more add-ons, something the pace at which MS FLIGHT DLCs were released, an controlled by MS, was impossible with that platform. It is really "dangerous" because in just a few days I was tempted to buy AS2012, landclass and ground environment enhancements, various aircraft - new versions of some I already had such as the great Aerosoft Katana X, etc... I really had to find out how to control myself and refrain from doing it, at least for now...

 

I remember in the past having a hangar full of airplanes I never really had the chance to explore as, for instance, I did with FLIGHT's RV6 and Maule, and lately the Carbon Cub. The same applies to traffic and scenery add-ons I never really made a good use of....

 

I am enjoying MS FSX yes! Of course I met again many of the bugs/limitations that I no longer recalled, but the way FSX runs on my system today is nothing compared to what it was when I last ran it around early 2007. The smoothness helps a LOT making the sim look different. Also, having an even if basic secenery for the area I live in is good! It looks familiar :-)

 

Regarding XPlane and even Prepar3d, yes, I began to search additional information on those too, but, how many of you haven't done the same? I ended up deciding for FSX mainly because I don't think Prepar3d can really offer me, right now, something very different from what I have with FSX and I prefer to wait for v2.0, and, I gave up on the last minute buying Xplane because it is a lot more expensive to invest in than FSX for which I could also get, with no further investment, my old add-ons back.

 

Those decisions were correct, at least from my POV, and have nothing to do with the original post where my only intention was to emphasize how much more easy it is to set up and start playing FLIGHT, even knowing perfectly well that the kind of experience I can get from this simulator is far in quantity / (not necessarily in quality of the weather and FDs), from what FSX can bring... Just that....

 

Again, I will try to keep my participation in this forum confined to my experience as an MS FLIGHT user from now on... and these last post was written simply because some of you directly commented on my rather erratic behaviour...

I loaded up my plain vanilla FSX Gold copy today and gave it a try. It runs ok for me, nothing like Flight of course. I will do no addons and will accept it for what it is. The only problem I have is getting my Combat rudder pedals to work with it. Every time I try it sends the aircraft out of control. I know there must be a way to turn off the twist function of my ST290 pro and turn on only the rudder pedals. I had no problem with Flight and will be back there again. But I would like to run FSX now and again. I did not use rudder pedals with FSX before and must be missing something simple in the settings.

I know there must be a way to turn off the twist function of my ST290 pro and turn on only the rudder pedals

 

Same as with Flight. Go to control options in the game and unassign the twist function from the joystick. Lots of people had that problem at first with Flight. In my case, I didn't have a twist option, but a joystick with a throttle wheel, and it wanted to control the rudders as well.

 

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From the top of my head: the controller screen has three tabs: the third is axis: delete the rudder assignment for the twist there (after selecting the ST290 from the dropdown menu).

Ok, finally got it figured out, not very user friendly like the flight setup. Of course MS had to dumby down the settings for flight. Not always a bad thing. The KISS principal should apply.