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<Sigh!> Not again...

 

This is yet another instance of someone taking the completely FREE, Open Source "Flightgear"* and trying to capitalize on it...

 

The "clue" is contained in their "Disclaimer:"

License:

 

Please note the game, some content and images has been released under GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Version 2, June 1991 .

 

Source code of these images, content and files available on request.

 

* http://www.flightgear.org/

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But like it or not, it's perfectly legiitimate.

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That's just a scam. I reported their Facebook page for scam, and their website is hosted by GoDaddy, if anyone wants to report them.

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Why is it acam? The GNU Licence under which Flight Gear is released permits this.

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Why is it acam? The GNU Licence under which Flight Gear is released permits this.

 

If you look at the content of most of these websites, they use images and sometimes videos from products other than Flight Gear to promote their product. That's blatantly false advertising, which equals a scam in my eyes. Some even put fake links to Avsim or Flightsim to make it seem like these websites promote their product. Click the link (I am referencing some of the Facebook Flightgear ripoffs) and it takes you to their website, not Avsim or Flightsim. Some of these sites make it appear like they are partnered with Visa, Mastercard, Paypal, etc... And the prose in the advertising is so lengthy, most never find the disclaimers regarding FlightGear--which are intentionally buried in their webpages knowing that a few paragraphs will hook the unsuspecting. And then of course, there are the glowing user reports posted on these websites from people I have never heard of. There is never a report from any respected simmer that frequents the main forums.

 

If not a scam, certainly it is a sleazy way to be in business, since they prey on those who aren't well versed in the Flightsim hobby. I haven't clicked the link in this post, but I've seen enough of these websites to know that they are predators who don't give a hoot about the law. If they break even a tiny portion of the law by presenting false advertising, they are scammers. Bottom feeders might be a better word for them.

 

Regards,

 

John

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Because they advertise the product to be something it's not.

 

They use screen shots from fsx and other ways to lure the victim to give credit card information.

 

All their testimonials are fake and they never come out and say "yeah we took free software and put a price tag on it".

 

Everything about it is dishonest.

How is it NOT a scam?

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Oh the humanity! That Dan Freeman is something else too. He sends me so many mesages trying to sell me the most realistic flight simulator on earth...Proflightsimulator is another "scam."

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I'm not too sure but I think Flight Gear needs compiling and messing around with, but if this product is all done and packaged onto a DVD ready to go, then surely it's got to cost something? Looks like FS9.

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I'm not too sure but I think Flight Gear needs compiling and messing around with, but if this product is all done and packaged onto a DVD ready to go, then surely it's got to cost something? Looks like FS9.

 

FlightGear is distributed as a self installing .exe. Pretty simple and straightforward. It only needs compiling if one were to modify the source, which very few would need to do. The Flightgear "ripoffs" (my term for these websites) might or might not make the install process easier. My guess is most don't, and those that do certainly are overcharging for their "service". I've seen FS9 for sale for $10.00, and FS9 is leagues better than FlightGear. FlightGear is an admirable program given its open source nature, just not up there with commercial products like FS9, FSX and Xplane.

 

John

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yes John, it seems expensive, I recently got FSXGold for around £20.

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This whole subject disgusts me no end. Yes, under the license, they can get away with it. Morally, it's just thievery. Not to mention that I have a real problem with AVSIM being used under false pretenses. I think we need to start a community movement to make it known everywhere about the sites that are doing this, enlist cooperative initiatives between all sim sights, and do all we can do to stomp this out, including protesting to host systems, FaceBook, Google, whoever. The first thing we can do is find every site that is attempting to rip off users, and post those sites on a "wall of shame".

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All very odd, if the developers of Flight Gear don't get any benefit out of virtual whatsitsname, why don't they make a nice package of Flight Gear? Who pays for their PC's?

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This whole subject disgusts me no end. Yes, under the license, they can get away with it. Morally, it's just thievery. Not to mention that I have a real problem with AVSIM being used under false pretenses. I think we need to start a community movement to make it known everywhere about the sites that are doing this, enlist cooperative initiatives between all sim sights, and do all we can do to stomp this out, including protesting to host systems, FaceBook, Google, whoever. The first thing we can do is find every site that is attempting to rip off users, and post those sites on a "wall of shame".

 

I'd be willing to do this with a little guidance. I'm home most of the day would give me something to do. I just wouldn't know where to start.

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This whole subject disgusts me no end. Yes, under the license, they can get away with it.

 

Not if they use screenshots and video from other products they can't. In the UK you'd be violating the Sale of Goods Act.

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It certainly seems to be a unique product. I don't know of any other flight simulator that includes a talking Cessna :lol:

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One big scam. I don't waste my time looking at it any more, I find it vile. However, I seem to remember initially definitely seeing Orbx scenery.

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All very odd, if the developers of Flight Gear don't get any benefit out of virtual whatsitsname, why don't they make a nice package of Flight Gear? Who pays for their PC's?

 

FlightGear sells a full 4 DVD set for $49.99.

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This whole subject disgusts me no end. Yes, under the license, they can get away with it. Morally, it's just thievery. Not to mention that I have a real problem with AVSIM being used under false pretenses. I think we need to start a community movement to make it known everywhere about the sites that are doing this, enlist cooperative initiatives between all sim sights, and do all we can do to stomp this out, including protesting to host systems, FaceBook, Google, whoever. The first thing we can do is find every site that is attempting to rip off users, and post those sites on a "wall of shame".

 

I agree entirely-- theft it is, regardless of how the law dresses it.

 

All very odd, if the developers of Flight Gear don't get any benefit out of virtual whatsitsname, why don't they make a nice package of Flight Gear? Who pays for their PC's?

 

They pay for them themselves. The whole point of open source material is that it's developed free and distributed free and can be modified by the user both to suit his own purpose and as a further development.

 

Some developers like to make a little money, usually by charging for a burn-to-disk service, but open-source material is just that: open in all ways to everyone, and always available for free.

 

D

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-- theft it is, regardless of how the law dresses it.

 

How can it be theft to use something that's offered to everyone free of charge?

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Some of the pictures definitely have REX clouds! Is that not breaking the law?

 

RE: Open source - isn't that done by fully paid programmers on their lunch breaks? :lol:

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Copy/Paste from the top of the Flight Gear page:.

 

As many people will be aware, there is a (self described) "new" flight simulator product that is being widely and actively marketed at the moment under various names - Flight Pro Sim, Pro Flight Simulator, etc. These "new" simulators are simply a rebranding of the FlightGear open-source flight simulator. However, the marketing tactics of the Flight Pro Sim guys have caused more than a bit of confusion with end users. To help provide some clarity and answer some common questions, we (the core FlightGear development team) felt it was appropriate to make a statement, and provide a FAQ.

 

FlightGear is an open-source flight simulator that was created in 1996. It is released under the GNU General Public License v2, and as such, it is free to use, modify and distribute with few restrictions. It has been developed with the collaboration of a large number of individuals over the last 14+ years. The complete FlightGear application and source code can be always downloaded for free from http://www.flightgear.org.

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Not if they use screenshots and video from other products they can't. In the UK you'd be violating the Sale of Goods Act.

 

In the UK licenced software isn't a "goods" in terms of the Sale of Goods Act so you wouldn't be.

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In the UK licenced software isn't a "goods" in terms of the Sale of Goods Act so you wouldn't be.

 

Does the UK offer any protection for false advertising when it comes to computer software? I know in the States people wouldn't get away with selling software using images from another product. But I also know most of these sites are overseas and can't be touched by the law, as they are in places where the law is lax or nonexistent.

 

John

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