The BA EGKK - EGLL route is for repositioning so flown empty.

 

Yeah, I always laughed at the KHEF-KIAD (and reverse) routes here when Colgan was still around. The maintenance base was down there for a while, so they'd go in between the airports on the 14nm flight in the mornings and evenings.

Yeah, I always laughed at the KHEF-KIAD (and reverse) routes here when Colgan was still around. The maintenance base was down there for a while, so they'd go in between the airports on the 14nm flight in the mornings and evenings.

 

At least those were turboprops. There's something extra silly about moving a heavy like that.

Interesting thread, and I feel somewhat relieved. Been flying 150-300nm hauls with md-11C in Norway. However, I will never tell you what stories I tell myself to make this become 'real'. According to my non-simmers friends. I'm crazy enough as it is, spending my evenings flying the big birds with, in their view, absolutely nothing happening.

 

To illustrate: Right after making a successful take-off, one of my non-simmer friends looked at me and asked: So, what is there to shoot at?

 

This thread has provided me with some possible hauls, notching immersion upwards and onwards.

 

Thanx

 

Morten

Hi all together !

I am Maurice and this is my first entry in the Avsim forum!

I have an other knowedge about a route.

Singapore Airlines flys the route SIN-MUC-MAN with the 777-300ER.

And I think the flight from Munich to Manchester needs about 90 minutes.

Maurice

The T7 like all other well designed aircraft are quite efficient throughout the entire load range of the aircraft. I'm using generic figures here..

On a short range flight; say two hours, factor the fuel burn reserves etc,

772 MGTOW: 650000 lbs

avg empty wt: 308000

350 pax: lbs 70000

fuel burn first hour *lbs 50000

second hour *lbs 22000

reserves; *not real 16500

Gross wt 463000

or 40.39% of max gross that's less than half full.. you bet it'll perform like an angel; reduced time to climb will save tons!

A T7 used in short haul, high density routes can be quite profitable as the majority of the weight comes from the fuel used for longer range..

cut the range (weight) and its ability to efficiently haul a given load goes up incrementally,

its fuel burn in climb and cruise decrease significantly, plus no step climb; reach cruise alt in initial climbout..

field requirements get mighty short even full of pax!

Imagine the revenue generated carrying 60 tons of $10 overnight envelopes.. that's a lot of cash! guess you couldnt get sixty tons of envelopes in one plane.. LOL!

 

T7 is heavier than its competitor but its overall flexibility and durability increase long term investment value and ROI

It will work harder, longer and retain its value vs Dispose A Jet

another example..

N842EV a 742 built in 1973 in use today with Evergreen hauling cargo around the world daily some 39 yrs. old

just photographed it in PANC last week..

Records show this aircraft has been "retired" three times already by previous owners; owned by Evergreen since 1993

Though inefficient compared to more modern, more fuel efficient powered aircraft, its procurement value vs operation costs make it viable today

yet another way to find efficiency thru creative use of aircraft..

The main downside to operating 'long-haul' planes on short routes is that for many items the time between maintenance depends on the number of cycles (basically flights) rather than the number of hours flown. The life of the airframe is also limited by the number of cycles. A plane that's designed for long-haul missions will usually have a shorter lifetime (in number of cycles) and fewer cycles between required maintenance than a short-haul plane.

A typical (long-haul) T7 will have 1-2 cycles per day, a 737 might eat up 6 or more every day.

 

If you design for a plane to last for fewer cycles you can make it much lighter. A T7 and a 737 are both designed to last about 40 years. In that time a T7 will accumulate far fewer cycles, so I'm pretty sure the T7 has a much lower life-time cycle limit than a 737, but I'd have to do the research to be sure.

Well Thai airways mostly use A300-600- B744- B777 and A333 for short routes from bangkok to phuket or chian mai to phuket or chian mai to bankok and so on! Loner fliht is chian mai to phuket that is around 2 hours..

I'm flying with LOT from EPWA to EGLL on 22 Dec. Normally it's a nice EMB or a ropey old B734, but not this time. Due to pilot training, I get to fly there on a brand new B787 this time :yahoo:

I never understood this topic - it's FSX; you can fly it from Panshanger Aerodrome to Oxford Airport if you want :LMAO:

Cool! I didn't know that LOT would be receiving B787s. I wish I could ride one, but the flights are so expensive. The A380 and B747-8I are also on my wish list, but my next flight will be in a US Airways A330 to Rome.

 

Can you film the takeoff and landing of the B787?

Cool! I didn't know that LOT would be receiving B787s. I wish I could ride one, but the flights are so expensive. The A380 and B747-8I are also on my wish list, but my next flight will be in a US Airways A330 to Rome.

 

Can you film the takeoff and landing of the B787?

 

LOT are the European launch customer for the 787. As for filming takeoff and landing, I could give it a go from my phone, but it'll be awful and wobbly. I'm no good at photography. If you go to Airliners.net, there are already a couple of shots of the first LOT 787 doing flight tests.

Yes. We always see pictures of the B787, but videos from the perspective of the passenger are truly exciting, particularly the ones with little camera shake. Even exterior video shots of the B787 taken in Boston and Japan are pretty common now.

Boeing 777-200 / 200ER.

Long - Short - Short - Long.

 

Paris CDG - Douala, Cameroon (@6.5 Hours)

Douala, Cameroon - Malabo, Equatorial Guinea (@1 Hour)

Then In Reverse.

 

Or the Older Route, Douala, Cameroon - Yaounde, Cameroon (@1 Hour, then back again).

 

Especially good if you like wet, hot, and stormy weather in rainy season (coming to an end now)

 

oops wrong thread

Flying delta VA there are a few 100 routes in the 777/2&3

only a handful ,maybe 10 fly sub 2 hours. Anyone buying the 777 to fly VA need to be mindful that short routes are rare

Depends on the VA. The ones that model themselves on real world airlines certainly, but there are VAs and flying clubs around that will let you fly what you want where you want. It's supposed to be fun, if it wasn't nobody would do it