You don't seem to understand the purpose of certifiaction which woul be defeated if apps could down load and execute uncertified code.

 

I understand the certifications. I also understand their potential for locking users into a proprietary regime and limiting developer freedom.

 

I also note that you are the one mentioning that- "it's a no-brainer to certify an app that can then download and execute un-certified code!" and that was in response to my noting that "new UI's certification requirements prohibit "Metro"-style apps from downloading executable content"

 

Circular much? Its a no brainer to avoid this? Then whats it really for? (Doesn't the PC already have protections?)

 

If developers don't like the Windows Store requirements then they needn't use it.

 

Yet.

 

It's Microsoft's store after all and it's entitled to decide what it will sell and what charges it it will make. If it wants to sell only apps that meet its standards why shouldn't it? Any other store's entitled to do so.

 

Absolutely true. But like a certain other product, Microsoft needs the assistance of the content providers to fill the store and give it any chance of success. Conversely, some content providers are not particularly interested into wandering into a closed room only to have Microsoft slam and lock the door behind them at any time of its choosing.

 

If Microsoft wants developer cooperation, they are going to have to address developer concerns. The developers have a right to air those concerns, and why shouldn't they? (to use your own logic) Any free developer is entitled to do so........

 

Or do developers have no rights?

Speak of the devil.....The man himself is in Wellington today trying to win over our home grown developers:

 

Microsoft International president Jean-Philippe Courtois has paid a flying visit to Wellington to encourage local software developers to make "apps" for Microsoft's new Windows 8 operating system.

 

The software giant faces what could prove to be a protracted battle to win over developers, many of which are still concentrating on making apps for the more mature Android and Apple smartphone and tablet markets.

 

Courtois heads Microsoft's sales and marketing efforts outside of North America. He said that by developing apps for Windows 8, software firms would be able to sell their wares to hundreds of millions of desktop computer users who were expected to upgrade to the touch-screen capable operating system, as well as future Microsoft smartphones and tablets.

 

More:

http://www.stuff.co....dows-8-for-apps

Absolutely true. But like a certain other product, Microsoft needs the assistance of the content providers to fill the store and give it any chance of success. Conversely, some content providers are not particularly interested into wandering into a closed room only to have Microsoft slam and lock the door behind them at any time of its choosing.

 

If Microsoft wants developer cooperation, they are going to have to address developer concerns. The developers have a right to air those concerns, and why shouldn't they? (to use your own logic) Any free developer is entitled to do so........

 

Or do developers have no rights?

 

The developers have the right to stay out of the closed room and not use the Windows Store if they don't like Microsoft's terms and conditions. They don't have the right to use the Windows Store on their terms and conditions.

The developers have the right to stay out of the closed room and not use the Windows Store if they don't like Microsoft's terms and conditions. They don't have the right to use the Windows Store on their terms and conditions.

 

Right. Which means they are locked out of WinRT if they don't accept MS terms. Now it may turn out WinRT is a bust in which case who cares. OTOH, if the uptake of Atom based WinRT systems is good, then the ship has sailed without the devs. Once the devs buy into modern apps on WinRT, why would they also develop separate apps for Win8 desktop API? This sounds a lot like Win95 where to get Windows cert you had to develop for Win95. You could of course stick to WfW 3.1 (like WordPerfect) but once you had your Win95 application, why duplicate it for WfW3.1 (recall OS/2 could run WfW3.1 apps but not Win95).

 

Of course, AutoCad is not Angry Birds, but I don't think the home market is too interested in AutoCad.

 

scott s.

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I think we should wait and see. Next year same time all conjectures will have been proven or nor.

Right. Which means they are locked out of WinRT if they don't accept MS terms.

 

No, it means they are "locked out" of the Windows Store - in the same way they'd be "locked out" of any store if they they won't accept the store's terms

No, it means they are "locked out" of the Windows Store - in the same way they'd be "locked out" of any store if they they won't accept the store's terms

 

Freedom...

Freedom...

 

Freedom to go into any store and say "I wan't to to sell this for me but I don't accept your terms and I don't intend to pay your charges"?

 

The store would use its freedom to show you the door.

Freedom to go into any store and say "I wan't to to sell this for me but I don't accept your terms and I don't intend to pay your charges"?

 

The store would use its freedom to show you the door.

 

At this point I am starting to believe either:

 

A: Lobbies on behalf of something or

 

B:

 

Maybe there is hope for you after all

 

What is it you are defending??? Culture or otherwise. Me is confused :rolleyes:

 

No, it means they are "locked out" of the Windows Store - in the same way they'd be "locked out" of any store if they they won't accept the store's terms

 

If a developer does not agree to the Windows Store terms, they cannot develop and sell Windows RT apps. Thus locking them out of the Windows ARM tablet market. This is what is making developers wary of where MS is going. Previously Microsoft had only locked down the Xbox market, and but now they are doing it as part of their new tablet initiative. Combined with producing their own tablet hardware, they are moving closer to becoming more like Apple than just being a software company.

Gabe Newell says Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room

Surprise! Well, maybe not. ^_^ Mr. Newell doesn't have any concerns on Win8, he's just moving his own thing into position. Media spin. And, suddenly, it all makes sense.

I didn't realize Steam had more users then Xbox....It would be cool for Steam to allow any PC Maker to build a Steam Box, or even better, allow us to assemble one with components as we do with PC's anyways.

 

They just need to supply software and anyone could slap together a motherboard and some components.

'The company will create its own carefully managed PC ecosystem'. ^_^ If you write that in simple language, it may sound very different. But lets stay concerned about that one button on the Win8 interface.

 

Misdirection.

Yep, at the end of the day all you are doing is placing a store in your living room.

I think you can also place it somewhere else. ^_^ If the carefully managed PC ecosystem's EULA allows it of course. Looking forward to the reports.