Heat is on Boeing for supposd lack of Quality Assurance, as evidenced by the 280 Boeing 777s that's were found to have been delivered with missing clamps and loose wiring, and now the 787s delivered with fuel line connectors not installed.

 

A Qatar 787 was forced to make an emergency landing with a faulty generator.

 

Quoting the Qatar chairman:

 

“These problems are unacceptable because this aircraft has been flying for the last 14 months,” Al Baker said in an interview. “They have to get their act together very fast because we at Qatar Airways will not accept any more defects.”

 

“Two aircraft having the same problem -- the same major problem -- so quickly is a cause of concern,” Al Baker said, adding that Doha-based Qatar Air will ask Boeing to cover its losses. “Definitely we will demand compensation. We are not buying airplanes from them to put in a museum.”

Brand new planes are bound to have issues. I bought a new car recently and it's a brand new design (2013 Nissan Altima) and it has some niggling issues. It's just expected.

United had to divert from losing gens as well. Hopefully these all can get fixed quickly.

Brand new planes are bound to have issues. I bought a new car recently and it's a brand new design (2013 Nissan Altima) and it has some niggling issues. It's just expected.

 

I fear there may be more than that here...200 odd 777s delivered with incorrect wiring installations, and now 787s delivered with missing clamps, points to lousy workmanship rather than design. Who knows, the aircraft themselves may be extremely reliable, but Boeing may not be doing themselves any favours in their haste to push them out the door.

 

Some say Boeing's new outsourcing policies mean quality control is no longer what it used to be.

I fear there may be more than that here...200 odd 777s delivered with incorrect wiring installations, and now 787s delivered with missing clamps, points to lousy workmanship rather than design. Who knows, the aircraft themselves may be extremely reliable, but Boeing may not be doing themselves any favours in their haste to push them out the door.

 

Some say Boeing's new outsourcing policies mean quality control is no longer what it used to be.

 

Assembly line issues can be corrected, and right quick at that. Design flaws are a whole different ball game.

Assembly line issues can be corrected, and right quick at that. Design flaws are a whole different ball game.

 

That's true with a centralized assembly line, but when assembly is done all over the globe as Boeing is doing, I gotta believe it's much harder to control.

That's true with a centralized assembly line, but when assembly is done all over the globe as Boeing is doing, I gotta believe it's much harder to control.

 

We're talking about installation issues though, missing clamps/wiring is just a case of someone missing something at a single point of installation.

...200 odd 777s delivered with incorrect wiring installations,

 

Hopefully this will not be modeled by PMDG in their upcoming 777 release :rolleyes:

We're talking about installation issues though, missing clamps/wiring is just a case of someone missing something at a single point of installation.

 

I sincerely hope that FSLabs are reading this thread...I would'nt want any safety issues with my A320... :LMAO:

 

I don't think that Airbus will have any problems like this, but you never know

 

Regards

Bill

I sincerely hope that FSLabs are reading this thread...I would'nt want any safety issues with my A320... :LMAO:

 

I don't think that Airbus will have any problems like this, but you never know

 

Regards

Bill

 

Any and all aircraft manufacturers have quality assurance issues, especially now that a single aircraft contains parts from dozens or hundreds of different companies located all around the globe. Some of those issues make it into the media, some don't. I guess it depends on whether there's anything else newsworthy to report on at the time.

Boeing doesn't build generators, just installs them. Some wiring is installed by subcontractors, some by Boeing. I would imagine Boeing has to trust the sub-assembly builders to do their part, there are probably areas that can't be easily inspected once the parts arrive at the assembly lines.

Fuel manifold couplings leaking, i wouldn't say that's a niggle...That's pretty serious stuff.

Fuel manifold couplings leaking, i wouldn't say that's a niggle...That's pretty serious stuff.

 

The severity of the consequences generated by the issue aren't the focus if the debate but rather the difficulty in correcting the issue, which I believe to be straightforward for the reasons I've already outlined.

Hmmm debatable. What if the couplings are designed incorrectly and a new modded batch are needed? then that requires every engine to be called back for repair...and a new manifold or couplings to be manufactured and tested. I see where your coming from though.

I fear there may be more than that here...200 odd 777s delivered with incorrect wiring installations, and now 787s delivered with missing clamps, points to lousy workmanship rather than design. Who knows, the aircraft themselves may be extremely reliable, but Boeing may not be doing themselves any favours in their haste to push them out the door.

 

Some say Boeing's new outsourcing policies mean quality control is no longer what it used to be.

 

Could be a number of reasons the clamps are missing, don't be so quick to judge those who actually build the aircraft.

Engineering could have forgotten to put them in the assembly drawings, which are the documents that they use to build the plane.

There may be a B/P change that wasn't available on the floor at the time of the actual installation.

 

Fuel couplings: Wiggen Fittings have been used for years, so I don't think their design is in question at all.

Bad batch of O-rings might be a cause. Preloading the plumbing pipes could also do the same thing.

Fuel plumbing installs normally are performed without putting ANY type of loading on the pipes. You don't force fit them.

 

This is a new plane, so issues will come and go, and will be addressed thru the system that Boeing and the governing agencies have in place.

 

Al Baker needs to go pound sand. He knows how to run an airline, but has no knowledge of what it take to actually takes to design and build an aircraft. He wanted his airline to be among the first to fly the 787.

Al, It goes with the territory... Deal with it dude...

 

Raptor

 

Hmmm debatable. What if the couplings are designed incorrectly and a new modded batch are needed? then that requires every engine to be called back for repair...and a new manifold or couplings to be manufactured and tested. I see where your coming from though.

 

 

If needed, the Mod would be done in the field with engine on the airframe.

And will be done only on the engines that Engineering determines need the Mod.

Wiggens Fittings are the couplings in question here and are used all over the aviation world and are well known for their reliability and design.

Bad O-rings, or a number of other things could be the problem here.

Remember, this was designed in a computer, where EVERY part is perfect in every way. Real world isn't so perfect.

 

Raptor