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UT2, Traffic 360 or Mytraffic 2013

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Was just wondering what people's opinions were on which is now the best AI package now the newer titles have been out for a bit, I have had UT2 since it was released. I still find myself wondering whether its a poor package or not.

 

The list of un painted aircraft is huge, I've had to add WOAI aswell just so I can have some cargo aircraft filling the appropriate spots. I'm sure this isn't helping my FSX performance.

 

Is it time for a change?

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I switched to mytraffic x from ut2 last week...just to try it.

 

More aircraft available at a time, less missing paints, models not as pretty, planes don't follow flightplans as well.

 

I wasn't sure from reading the forums which was better. I'm still not 100% sure, but I'm sticking with mytraffic x for now.

 

Oh, and as a long time ut user - hey, there's military traffic now!

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I tried them all and decided to stick with Traffic X. It's easy on loading, great performance, and only 4gig of HD space. All I had to do is get rid of the Merican ivery and now I'm a happy customer. I even added the additional civilian and military AI and performance is still great.

 

When I compare it to MyTraffic X Pro 5.4, it takes up 12gigs, slows down loading, models don't look that good, and performance was unacceptable at 25%. For me, it was a waste of money.

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12gigs? I've got about 2TB of fsx data, so I can live with that.

 

From what I understand, 30% in my traffic x is the same as the real world levels. I've been flying at 60% without any problems.

 

I agree the models aren't perfect - UT2 wins there from the 2 progs i've tried.

 

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Having had severe performance problems with UT2 on my old machine (Got something like 1.2 tow 3 FPS at LOWW if I remember correctly), I switched over to MyTraffic 5.4, and I reinstalled it after moving on to a newer rig. It performs very good at 30 - 40% settings.

Another great advantage of MyTraffic is, that it does not only offer airline traffic, but also GA and military traffic including helicopters(which behave like STOL aircraft on take-off and landing, though), and it adds an enormous amount of different aircraft and airlines. HTere's even the possibility to switch back to historial fligth plans and have lots of 707s, 727s and some Concordes flying around!

I have to agree that most of the models don't look that great, but then again I couldn't actually care less, because when I'm moving on the ground I have to be aware of other traffic, thus I don't look at the other aircraft that closely, and in the air I always hope that ATC keeps me in a safe distance from other traffic! I only want some more or less realisticly crowded airports, and I don't want to have the feeling of being alone up in the sky.

There are also those who say that MyTraffic flight plans are unrealistic, but as I don't check any realworld flightplans I can't complain about that.

 

Best regards,

Flo

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Agree with everything there - except the last sentence.

 

My early impression is that the mytraffic x flights don't follow the airways as well as ut2 - as you said. I do care about this, as I always fly real or real-ish (fsbuild) flight plans and did like the feeling i got with ut2 of being on a 'road in the sky'.

 

Overall, for now my pick is mytraffic x. I do like the fact it is constantly being updated.

 

And agree model quality is not that important - I only see them in flight from a mile or so away (so a flashing light at nigh, and a blip on th ND during the day). The important things are 1. there is that feeling of flying in a busy sky because the traffic is all there and 2. The airports seem alive, with takeoff and landings and pushbacks from shortly after I load my sim.

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interesting replies. to be honest it is that you just have to pick a direction and go for it. I have to say, that alot of the models in UT2 arnt very good either. UT2 have picked them up from all kinds of AI models makers and some of the are absoloutly terrible to look at, i have to say some of the worst i have seen, are actually listed as manufactured by UT2 themselves.

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Having used UT2 for the past couple of years I do have to say there are some downsides. Poor quality models, missing liveries, no UPS, FedEx, DHL, military, or helicopter traffic. Much of this can be fixed if you want to invest time in downloads, making repaints and importing all this plus schedules into UT2. The upside to UT2 is that it is easy to customize settings and airlines follow routes, not just direct lines.

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I see a lot of references to "following routes". Unless you are following that particular aircraft all the way to its destination, why is this a selling point? No disrespect intended at all, but it honestly has me curious how one would even know if a plane is flying direct or flying airways to its destination.

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I'll always be flying on an airway.

 

With ut2, there seemed to be other planes on the same airway, at different flight levels.

 

In my traffic x, they seem to be crisscrossing around a lot more randomly.

 

Ut2 seemed more real. Overall, i'm happy with my traffic x right now. I read these threads forever and couldn't come to a conclusion - so recently gave in and just bought in to my traffic x. As much as anything i'm interested in seeing where Burkhard can take it, whereas ut2 hasn't progressed for ages apart from the schedules.

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Hmm, well, I still don't really see that as a selling point, but can understand why some might. I'm in the same boat trying to weigh the benefits of each program and having a hell of a time knowing which route to go. I would like reasonable looking models, but they don't have to be superior. I want good worldwide coverage and a decent sampling of liveries for a reasonable performance impact. My Traffic X, Traffic 360, My Traffic 2013.... I'm kind of at a loss.

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Interesting thread, could I bump in a question? I am looking for a traffic package to use to depict traffic while flying online. I do not wish to use AI, so wich package will give me the best do you think?

 

Thanks,

Morten

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My Traffic X !

Even with 100% traffic at PARIS CDG i don't loose any frame rates ! best fps friendly and massive traffic !

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I do see importance in having AI commercial traffic following routes. When AI commercial traffic follows a route it means they are using specified airways, not just crisscrossing the sky in a straight line. If you are flying along in a bizjet or King Air as a general aviation flyer, do you really want to have to worry about a 737 flying through you? I like the commercial traffic to stick to the airways, I'll fly outside of the airways. That's my spin.

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Merry Cristmas All!

Just purchased Traffic 360.

Was a UT2 user always, but grew tired of the sometimes jerky planes and sunken tires, poor models etc... Fps wasn't great and many times there were no planes at arrival (usually Muni) airports.

T360 has great models and graphics! But I find some aircraft half inside the terminal-lol!

Especially at addon airpts.

I use Voxatc for talking with atc, so still confused as to which sliders to set (Vox and/or FSX Traffic as used by T360- or both).

FPS seems much better than UT2!

Nice simple GUI to customise schedules, airports, gates, schemes, all as mentioned in others above, and more!

T360 has sound sets, but not yet recognized by Audio Environment (requires an update they're apparently working on).

I think overall-once T360 gets more input and updates, it may just be the finest AI traffic program to-date!

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I bought UT2 for the newer FSX variants of the AIA, TFS, and DJC models but otherwise use the free plans and models available from various sources including AIG, UTT, MAIW etc. I wouldn't go payware AI now unless there was something really groundbreaking.

 

The freeware models look so much better than the payware offerings and I know that my plans are up to date and the repaints as well are made with care by fellow AI addicts that strive to be as close to perfect as possible. Sure it takes time out of my day to keep them updated but for me that's part of it.

 

I don't just want my skies populated, I want my airports and traffic to look good when I come and go.

Simply put, there's just no WOW factor in Traffic 360 or MyTraffic X.

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If saving the users countless hours keeping their traffic package updated every 6 months (i.e. MyTrafficX 5.4b Professional) isn't a wow factor then I don't know what is. UT2 and Traffic do not update their products every 6 months, not for free anyway. MTX also offers 12-18 months worth of updates after a new major version release for free i.e. the "a" and "b" update, and that includes a lot more than just a schedule update (which UT2 charge for) that's another wow for me. Even major version upgrade fees are only in the region of 12 to 15 Euros, that's way cheaper than the others, another wow.

 

And best of all you will never beat the support service you get from the developer Burkhard Renk, he usually answers you within a maximum of 12 hours even at weekends.

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I use UT2 and I must say I'm very happy with it after some considerable amount of time and effort put in downloading paints, importing schedules and tweaking. The models are good for the larger airliners but the props and RJ's were just hideous. So I replaced them all with the free offerings from Malcontent and others. Two years later and a deployment to Afghanistan in between I'm almost complete with the entire globe and my airports are loaded with traffic. I once spent 30 minutes waiting at KATL for takeoff clearance lol. Just a tip , you can substitute a UT2 schedule with your own using the powerpack and I find this more to my liking cause you wont have planes pop up at a gate 20 minutes prior to departure or vanishing after parking but you will take a FPS hit. Haven't tried other traffic programs so I cant comment on those.

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Merry Cristmas All!

Just purchased Traffic 360.

Was a UT2 user always, but grew tired of the sometimes jerky planes and sunken tires, poor models etc... Fps wasn't great and many times there were no planes at arrival (usually Muni) airports.

T360 has great models and graphics! But I find some aircraft half inside the terminal-lol!

Especially at addon airpts.

I use Voxatc for talking with atc, so still confused as to which sliders to set (Vox and/or FSX Traffic as used by T360- or both).

FPS seems much better than UT2!

Nice simple GUI to customise schedules, airports, gates, schemes, all as mentioned in others above, and more!

T360 has sound sets, but not yet recognized by Audio Environment (requires an update they're apparently working on).

I think overall-once T360 gets more input and updates, it may just be the finest AI traffic program to-date!

 

Interesting you say all that. So far T360 has sucked for me and disappointing Its my understanding its a traffic X upgrade. So I thought it would be worth it. The sound is absolutely pathetic. Sounds like a hair dryer turning on and off or a big factory machine. Then it suddenly turns off rather than fading in the distance as what an airport should sound like.

Im at major airports and every single gate is occupied, with no where to park with a traffic setting of only 60%. More bizarre even though its full, I rarely see landings or takeoff. They are sparse. KJFK, KORD, KLAX. no line ups to take off whatsoever. If anyone has suggestions what might be wrong, please let me know. But this is very unrealistic. And the 200+ AI aircraft added to the aircraft selection menu is also annoying. Its flooded what is real or not. Doesnt seem to be a way of removing them.

 

Only plus is that its barely impacted FPS but thats because barely anything is moving. And support was useless. Offered no help other than its noted to the developer.

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I know, the audio sucks big time! Shame on them. Its 2012 already!

Im trying to remove the sound files-any help?

My traffic is moving (taxiing, lineup and takeoffs).

I have sliders around 25% Comm and 35% GA.

Again, they need alot of bug fixes and updates real soon or they'll lose their market share!

T360 has great potential.

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I use UT2 right now...I like having the AI on actual routes, and with FS Contrails running it's much more realistic to see traffic tracking ahead of you on the same jet route or crossing tracks at a navaid or airway fix than just random trails criss-crossing the sky. It's also very useful to be able to kill other acft on/near the approach path for those days when you're stuck on the ground with an endless stream of AI arrivals or when Radar Contact and the AI engine can't agree on which runway to use and you find yourself nose-to-nose with opposing traffic.

 

But that said, UT2's development seems to have ground to a halt a long time ago, and as a result the product feels more each day like legacy abandonware. That may get me to re-think this at some point in the future.

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If saving the users countless hours keeping their traffic package updated every 6 months (i.e. MyTrafficX 5.4b Professional) isn't a wow factor then I don't know what is.

 

Are the updates actual replica's of current schedules or sort of semi based on them?

 

The WOW factor I refer to is in game and the only WOW factor I see in MyTaffic or Traffic360 is "wow, they want me to pay for this?". People I know who own payware AI programs see my AI setup and literally say "WOW, that's amazing. I never knew it could look like that".

 

AIG and other freeware dev's offer free repaints, plans etc on a regular basis as well. So it takes me a couple hours to install new plans every few months, it's well worth a bit of effort.

 

To me, it's very similar to paying for the quality of the default FSX airports when you can have FlyTampa/FSDT quality for free.

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The schedules are more accurate and numerous than UT2 for example, over 800,000 flights per day or something like that.

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I see two different opinions. One goes for the less quality models and does not mind if the AI flies realistic routes, and don't want to invest time adding repaints to the models. So then you pick MTX. For me I do find it a lot of fun adding the latest liveries and update the latest flightplans, and when I'm at a crowded airport such as KJFK, I do find it important to have nice looking models. As realistic as possible is my opinion. So I stick with UTII.

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