I began using WOAI when I started implementing AI traffic. However I found it too tedious to download and install so many packages, with most been significantly out of date. I recommend the purchase of one of the several payware AI packages available. I bought UT2 not long after I started using WOAI and I have not looked back. Its a wonderful program that is easy to use, flexible and includes the entire world with regular schedule updates.

 

If having AI means so much to those of you getting wound up, then I'm sure you could justify such a small one off purchase.

How about for all the FS9 users?

Instead of fighting why not contact them and see if they will allow somone to take over woai even if its just somone to keep the site running and keep the legal crap worked out.

here here

There used to be a sticky in one of these forums that basically said "No lawyer-ing," what happened?

There used to be a sticky in one of these forums that basically said "No lawyer-ing," what happened?

 

It's also a violation of AVSIM's TOS to advocate piracy, which is exactly what is going on here resulting in deletion of posts and banning offender

 

Piracy, Key Sharing, Link Sharing, EULA Busting, etc.: Any message, post or topic heading that appears to advocate or perpetuates piracy, shares cracked software, links to or other like material, advocates avoidance of or contravening of End User License Agreements (EULAs) or can be interpreted as approval of piracy or EULA "busting", will be immediately removed and the poster banned. Piracy of software destroys the basis of our hobby and AVSIM enforces anti-piracy policies strictly. If you are a pirate, advocate piracy, or use pirated material, do not register. We place EULA busting in the same category.

It's also a violation of AVSIM's TOS to advocate piracy, which is exactly what is going on here resulting in deletion of posts and banning offender

 

Piracy, Key Sharing, Link Sharing, EULA Busting, etc.: Any message, post or topic heading that appears to advocate or perpetuates piracy, shares cracked software, links to or other like material, advocates avoidance of or contravening of End User License Agreements (EULAs) or can be interpreted as approval of piracy or EULA "busting", will be immediately removed and the poster banned. Piracy of software destroys the basis of our hobby and AVSIM enforces anti-piracy policies strictly. If you are a pirate, advocate piracy, or use pirated material, do not register. We place EULA busting in the same category.

Well that would be it! I found it shortly before seeing your post, go figure.

This is starting to sound like the Project AI break-up. While certainly WoAI has convenience factor, I don't think there is any shortage of alternatives, such as AIG for example.

 

For freeware, I like the Creative Commons atribution, share-alike, non-commercial license, but if others want more restrictive license that's their option as author and obviously we have to abide by it.

 

scott s.

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I'm glad I took the effort to learn about the AI file structure, both flightplans and the separate AI models/paints, a few years back, and learned how to compile user created flightplans from Avsim and Alpha India. A lot more work for sure, but once you get the hang of it, it's a piece of cake, and you have more control over which paints/models you see represented by an airline. WOAI was still the beesknees, but over the past 2 years or so, the rate of packages released had slowed down considerably, which led to my quest to go DIY. Also, getting UT2 pretty much meant that I didn't really need WOAI as much, at least for the popular carriers.

 

For a while, it was a "sub-hobby" within Flight simming, when bored of flying, I would anxiously download the latest and greatest Alpha India Flightplans. This is sad news, but maybe more folks will become interested in using TTools to compile AI flightplans, and come to enjoy that. It's almost like when we are tweaking our CFG files, you learn so much about basic file and database architecture, and it's kind of fun hunting for paints on Avsim. The sense of accomplishment is great too.

It's also a violation of AVSIM's TOS to advocate piracy, which is exactly what is going on here resulting in deletion of posts and banning offender

 

Piracy, Key Sharing, Link Sharing, EULA Busting, etc.: Any message, post or topic heading that appears to advocate or perpetuates piracy, shares cracked software, links to or other like material, advocates avoidance of or contravening of End User License Agreements (EULAs) or can be interpreted as approval of piracy or EULA "busting", will be immediately removed and the poster banned. Piracy of software destroys the basis of our hobby and AVSIM enforces anti-piracy policies strictly. If you are a pirate, advocate piracy, or use pirated material, do not register. We place EULA busting in the same category.

 

Guess they'd better ban everyone over in the P3D forums then. Seriously man no one here has advocated piracy in any way shape or form and I don't think you have any right to be accusing anyone. What I am against is the pointless and unnecessary removal of a staple product in the freeware community. Yes there are good payware traffic addons. I personally own one of them (MyTrafficX) and enjoy it very much. Not everyone however has the means or desire to shell out for the relatively high prices of these addons - lets face it: if one brought all the scenery, aircraft and utility addons that can enhance and improve FSX one could literally spend thousands. And that's just the software aspect. For some, priorities are different. WOAI provided a very acceptable alternative for those in that camp and the disappearance of this software is a disgraceful event that can be put down to nothing more than some individual's ego. Ask yourselves, how does this add to our already dwindling hobby? It seems like every week now there is news of someone shutting down or leaving the community or (even worse) passing away.

 

We are a small community with precious little room for those seeking to impede our enjoyment of the platform. I say we defend what little we have when events such as this come along - it honestly disturbs me how many of you are willing to just go along with this. Is it political correctness? Fear of legal reprisal?

 

I'll say it one last time: THERE IS NO RATIONAL OR SENSIBLE REASON FOR THIS SOFTWARE TO DISAPPEAR.

 

I hope at least someone here understands the point I'm trying to get across.

Youre advocating piracy. Thats not hard to understand. If the authors of said software doesnt want it distibuted any longer than thats their call not anyone elses. To put t up on other sites, distribute it through other means and otherwise ignore their wishes in regards to the work they did is piracy. Theres no way around that fact. You or I dont get to tell the people who made the thing what they can and cant decide to do with it.

Well, freeware with terms of usage is why I stopped developing. I gave all my work away for free with no copyright or terms of use. If everybody did the same we could have covered the entire planet in great and detailed scenery by now, but it is impossible when you need to seek permission from 100s of developers and spend most of your time finding out who owns credits to the various files. It often took less time creating our own 3D objects than trying to get hold of somebody who had changed their e-mail address since releasing their freeware. I don't dispute the right people have to copyright and restrict how their creations are used, but it does more harm than good for the community as a whole. Because of these copyright issues the developer group I belong to only use our scenery privately and don't distribute it. Too bad really. We have most of the smaller airports in Northern Alaska made in great detail for instance.

Well said Randy.

Well, freeware with terms of usage is why I stopped developing. I gave all my work away for free with no copyright or terms of use. If everybody did the same we could have covered the entire planet in great and detailed scenery by now, but it is impossible when you need to seek permission from 100s of developers and spend most of your time finding out who owns credits to the various files. It often took less time creating our own 3D objects than trying to get hold of somebody who had changed their e-mail address since releasing their freeware. I don't dispute the right people have to copyright and restrict how their creations are used, but it does more harm than good for the community as a whole. Because of these copyright issues the developer group I belong to only use our scenery privately and don't distribute it. Too bad really. We have most of the smaller airports in Northern Alaska made in great detail for instance.

 

That sir is exactly my point in a nutshell. I think this is a textbook example of what I'm trying to get across and it is highly relevant in this instance.

 

Youre advocating piracy. Thats not hard to understand. If the authors of said software doesnt want it distibuted any longer than thats their call not anyone elses. To put t up on other sites, distribute it through other means and otherwise ignore their wishes in regards to the work they did is piracy. Theres no way around that fact. You or I dont get to tell the people who made the thing what they can and cant decide to do with it.

 

Refer to the post I quoted above. Swofford if you seek to change my stance on this you will fail miserably, understand? I am someone who believes passionately in progression and the evolution of our hobby through creation. I am opposed, on principle, to needless, self-serving limitations that obstruct those objectives. You can construct all the legalistic arguments you like and in the eyes of the law you would probably be seen as correct. But if you think that is sensible and rational then I'm wasting my time arguing.

 

You can slander me as a pirate all you like. I've personally spent thousands in the last year supporting this hobby.

As a contributor I feel sad that they put all packages down. Too much work is wasted, think of modellers, flight planers, painters and beta testers. Can you even roughly estimate how many manhours all these packages are worth?

Don't worry, there is already some WOAI packages of 2009-2010 on torrent websites.

I think somebody will make new packages.

 

WOAI is the most up to date traffic for FS9, and 90% of FS9 players use it.

 

it will not disappear like this.