Reminds me of how the Douglas company dealt with their faulty cargo doors in the DC-10's early days. They knew what the problem was after the first incident and didn't do anything until it happened again for the second time.

It's still my favorite aircraft along with the MD-11 but it's scary when I think about how they dealt with it.

Religion is not tolerated.

 

 

 

Best joke I've heard in a long time! LOL!

Best joke I've heard in a long time! LOL!

 

Unfortunely it is not a joke!

-I believe when an airline purchases an a/c for several million dollars they are not expecting to receive a defective a/c. Remember, that they need it to fly properly without delay or disasters.

 

-- I believe when a passenger boards and airplane, he/she is expecting the airplane to be in proper working conditions. Yes accidents can happen at any moment with any a/c; however, we're not expecting to see it as "Normal" from a new and so called "state-of-the-art" a/c. If it was so advanced and "state-of-the-art" and you see so many problems, that even the government needs to step in a keep it on the ground, then it's not as advanced or "state-of-the -art" anymore.

 

Honestly, I prefer for a manufacturer to accept their huge errors, ground the airplanes, and fix the problem before I can board one of those a/c. On the other hand if my neighbor is blind-folded by patriotism, and decides to bury its head on the ground and PRETEND like there's nothing wrong- Then, I don't want to be part of their next catastrophe.

As many aircraft are released in near Beta-stage nowadays, I think this has become normal. Maybe the passengers get a ticket at a reduced price for being beta-testers. I wonder whether there's a sticker at the main door saying "Work in progress". ;-)

 

Chris

As many aircraft are released in near Beta-stage nowadays, I think this has become normal. Maybe the passengers get a ticket at a reduced price for being beta-testers. I wonder whether there's a sticker at the main door saying "Work in progress". ;-)

 

Chris

 

A sticker on the door with the words: "Work in progress" hahaha, Now this is funny.Has Boeing mentioned they're releasing any Hotfix soon? Or,are customers saying the a/c are already Hot but not Fixed? :Big Grin:

 

Well, Boeing CEO recently said that there is nothing wrong with the 787; they are very dependent; that there might be one or two airplanes that have a glitch. That he fly the "dreams-come-true" liner every single day.

 

....Sure, but he didn't mention he carries 2 parachutes with him on every flight. :lol:

Hey Larry, you are flying too low- There's a giraffe on your window...

 

Pull Up! Pull Up! Tweeet! Tweeet! Pull Up! Pull Up!.... Can you imagine an a/c crying out loud: "Pull Up, Pull Up...Retard, Retard, Pull Up! :LMAO:

 

 

..... Is it NORMAL for you to be transporting live animals out here????

 

Is it NORMAL for you to be transporting live animals out here????

 

Be glad you're not on the other wing. That's the smoking section. Also belchers, flatulents and open-mouth chewers.

 

Hook

Jeez H. It's a duff battery. They'll fix it.

Some of my friends own several airlines and they bought the Boeing 787; they paid several millions of dollars;

 

Really?????

 

EDIT

Which airlines do they own

 

Air India

All Nippon Airways

Ethiopian Airlines

Japan Airlines

LAN Airlines

LOT Polish Airlines

Qatar Airways

United Airlines?

-I believe when an airline purchases an a/c for several million dollars they are not expecting to receive a defective a/c. Remember, that they need it to fly properly without delay or disasters.

 

-- I believe when a passenger boards and airplane, he/she is expecting the airplane to be in proper working conditions. Yes accidents can happen at any moment with any a/c; however, we're not expecting to see it as "Normal" from a new and so called "state-of-the-art" a/c. If it was so advanced and "state-of-the-art" and you see so many problems, that even the government needs to step in a keep it on the ground, then it's not as advanced or "state-of-the -art" anymore.

 

Honestly, I prefer for a manufacturer to accept their huge errors, ground the airplanes, and fix the problem before I can board one of those a/c. On the other hand if my neighbor is blind-folded by patriotism, and decides to bury its head on the ground and PRETEND like there's nothing wrong- Then, I don't want to be part of their next catastrophe.

 

I don't blame you for thinking they should be perfect, but the answer to your original post is that it is normal in reality that they are not. Most of these problems simply do not show up until the aircraft is in service, full of passengers and being used on a daily basis. I doubt if anyone who bought the A380 expected some aircraft to develop cracks in the wings soon after it entering service, it happened though and that is reality.

 

If you read about the A380 you will see this was a fault that appeared in the aircraft design more than a decade ago - airbus laid the blame entirely on the competitiveness of the industry, they felt obliged to reduce the weight of the aircraft, they used hybrid metal/carbon-fibre ribs which was less than a proven technology at the time and they paid the price (well actually in several cases their customers did!). Similar problems occurred with this constructions in the Euro Fighter and also gave problems early on because nobody knew at the time the best way to make a good bond between the materials.

 

Now it gets to the bottom of it all.

 

If the industry did not demand cheaper to buy and cheaper to operate aircraft to maximize their profits, the manufacturers would not feel obliged to push the boundaries so hard. In all, it is the customers who fuel these issues, so they really should not be moaning about it when the designers and manufacturers push the boundaries and goof up.

 

So taking that down the line a step further, it is the passengers wanting the cheapest air fares that drive the airlines to demand from the manufacturers the cheapest and lightest aircraft. This pushes the industry in one direction - innovation. If you have innovation then you have unproven technology. It would be perfectly possible to build a perfectly reliable aircraft using yesterday's proven technology. But what would be the market for an overweight, under-powered, expensive and fuel hungry airliner?

 

With a background in Engineering I can see the appeal of Lithium-ion batteries, lighter with more energy. Having seen what happens to them when they are damaged or overcharged, personally I would not have taken the option of fitting one in an aircraft (other than an RC model lol). They can literally burst into flames giving off huge clouds of noxious fumes and heat. The fact Boeing opted for them, would suggest they were pushed on the weight budget to keep the customer happy. It has back-fired, but it will have one of two results.

 

1) They fix it and lead the industry with the use of Lithium-ion batteries

 

2) They go back to the old style battery and the customer suffers the weight penalty

 

Either way no big deal.

 

There is no doubt the 787 is a superb plane. I just hope Boeing are not seriously damaged by the current bad press and are allowed to get on with business as usual.. (normal!)

 

If you think Boeing should have tested the batteries more before using them, they conducted over 1.3 million hours of testing before deciding it was safe to use them on the 787 and further tests so they could use them under special condition under the FAA rulings. It's just Murphy's Law that the things started to play up as soon as they were used in the real world.

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