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Carenado TBM FSX/P3D Service PACK 1 (20130523) RELEASED.

Released: May 23rd, 2013

Changelog:

-Cruise Speed performance at high altitudes corrected. (FDE developed by Bernt Stolle).
-Several windows, messages and menus of G1000 were improved.
-Some knobs operated backwards. Now they are right.
-Pulse lights system added.
-Inertial separation and Prop O’Speed test now has action over the performance.
-Ignition signal corrected for AUTO mode.
-Bank function added to the autopilot.
-ITT now indicates in Celsius as it is in the checklist.
-Some stickers were misplaced.
-Doors sounds adjusted.
-Other small bugs fixed

You don’t need this patch if you downloaded the package after May 23rd, 2013 1500 GMT.

Customers have to log into your account at www.carenado.com for getting it.

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Thanks for the heads up!

I will download it as soon as I get home!

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Just to clarify...Bernt did not do this FDE.  They asked his opinion what was wrong and he gave them the probable reason.  So, I guess you could credit him with the speed fix.

 

Gregg

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After the install of the SP, the torque doesn't go over 100% anymore, even with full throttle. Flap lever is at 850, RPM is set to 2000. Does anybody have the same problem?

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Worth it now?

 

I'm also on the fence still. Keep the input coming guys, whether you're happy with the add-on or still disappointed  B)

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doesn't go over 100% anymore,

 

Had this before SP1, it's just a little glitch... once you go to 850, back off throttle just a little, then full power again. She'll go to 121 then. I think this happens if you change the throttle anytime before going to 850 power.

 

Little bugs I have seen before and after:

 

Sometimes auto fuel selection doesn't work.. just recycle the switch and you good.

Only the TAXI and LANDING light switches have green LED lights to indicate they are on. Something I can fix once I get into the liveries. Stay posted.

 

Thats it.

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I think it's way up there as one of the premier AC. Your milage may vary of course, but for me, this is one sweet ride.

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Yea, I'm really enjoying this plane...it's a good enough balance of graphics, sound & flight dynamics to keep me very immersed (considering it's just a single GA). The systems, as always, are not a full simulation... but it's still their best work thus far and is worth the price tag IMO.

 

The cruise speed has been improved considerably and on a short test I was able to reach 315TAS@FL260 with TRQ:121 RPM:2000...took about 5-10 minutes at level flight for the speed to build up. So according to the charts maybe it was about 5kts too slow, but it might have increased a bit more if I had stayed at altitude for longer...this was just a quick test...so I'm please with this result.

 

The approach and landings are spot on the real world numbers...final approach about 85-87kias TRQ:25'ish - 30'ish...very gradually slowing so that you come over the numbers right about 80, flare it about 5-8 feet off the ground and touchdown comes with a very gentle kiss just past the 1,000 markers.

 

The only things I could ask for at this point (3 things):

 

1. I'd like to see the startup procedure improved a bit so that the NG starts to rise BEFORE you add fuel.

2. I'd like to see the sounds improved during the transition from spool-up to full engine start. Currently the process is much to fast and abrupt and is not realistic enough.

3. For the G1000 Id like it to come with a new updated database and it should support the ability to do WAAS/LPV approaches. For this I'm willing to pay $10-$20 more.

 

For me, if it had these 3 extras I'd rate it 10 out of 10 and the best modern GA your money could buy in FSX currently. Without these extras it's still quite emmersive, and a very good plane. I'd rate it 8 out of 10 and say in it's current state it's probably one of the top 5 best modern GA's available in FSX.

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I'm also happy that some of my pet peeves have been addressed..  Carenado is definitely listening.

 

Top of my current list are details of flightplan building on the G1000.. and if SP2 fixes those, I'm going to

be a happy camper as well.

 

Very promising airplane!

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Carenado essentially took my approach--they changed one of the drag scalars in the .cfg file, whereas my change was in the .air file.  With their change the 850 does not quite make 320ktas at FL260, it still falls a few knots below.  They did change something in the .air file, but I don't know what.  I think the flight dynamics were done by Stolle, as many of the tables in the .air file look the same as the Malibu (which I assume Stolle did).

 

John

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I think the flight dynamics were done by Stolle, as many of the tables in the .air file look the same as the Malibu (which I assume Stolle did)

 

He didn't.  They may have used the PA-46 as a model though.

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doesn't go over 100% anymore,

 

 

Had this before SP1, it's just a little glitch... once you go to 850, back off throttle just a little, then full power again. She'll go to 121 then. I think this happens if you change the throttle anytime before going to 850 power.

 

 

Little bugs I have seen before and after:

 

 

Sometimes auto fuel selection doesn't work.. just recycle the switch and you good.

 

Only the TAXI and LANDING light switches have green LED lights to indicate they are on. Something I can fix once I get into the liveries. Stay posted.

 

 

Thats it.

 

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I think it's way up there as one of the premier AC. Your milage may vary of course, but for me, this is one sweet ride.

Thanks a lot! That was the problem. Now, she is much faster and more enjoyable!

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I'm typing this while at FL260 at night and in gentle conditions, on my first flight after the service pack.

 

My current readings are OAT -36c., IAS 217.5, Trq 120.0, RPM 2000, fuel flow 66, Bleed Auto, GS shown on the G1000 is 320kts. (nothing on the performance charts for FL260, -36c and 217.5ias).

 

Flying in a gentle circle in an attempt to even out the wind effect produced ground speeds as shown on the G1000 of between 315kts and 323kts. Repeating two circles produced identical readings (= average of 319kts).

 

These are readings from only one flight of course, and in only gentle winds, but it is encouraging.

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-36c@FL260 is considered ISA conditions on your performance chart. Your TRUE airspeed is not the same as you ground speed unless the winds are at ZERO. There is a true airspeed readout under your IAS tape. No need to fly in circles, instead simply use fsuipc to "clear all weather"....or use the clear weather theme in the fsx weather menu.

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Here is an update from a real world (systems related) prospective on SP1.

 

I simply did a quick run around the patch to test out the systems and I can only assume that the TAS issue has been addressed from the look at most posts.  First off, the Ignition AUTO issue seems to have been fixed.  The appropriate annunciations are showing for the relative switch positions.  The inertial separator now seems to be affect the torque as it should but has no affect on ITT.  When the INERT SEP switch is in the up (ON) position, one should be observe a decrease in torque and an increase in ITT.  The opposite should take place in the down (OFF) position. They have now also completely omitted any INERT SEP annunciation, I'm not sure how that happened, but hopefully they can fix that issue with the next patch.

 

The AUX BOOST PUMP is still working incorrectly and showing the wrong annunciation in the AUTO position.  And last but not least, the pulsing landing lights are now working, however the landing light switches have to be in the ON position which is incorrect, and when the lights are pulsing, the green annunciations on the landing light switches should also pulse in conjunction with the actual landing lights.

 

All in all, Carenado is looking in the right direction, and I believe with a little more work and attention to detail, another patch or two could make this airplane a really good addition to the fleet.

 

As always, if anybody would like to ask any questions regarding the real world operation of the TBM, feel free to ask.

 

Safe Skies

 

-Seth-

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They have now also completely omitted any INERT SEP annunciation

 

My CAS still shows it when in use, and my AUX pump annunciations are working correctly as well. Maybe you had a bad install? A quick tip to all is; If you bought it from Carenado Direct, the best way to apply SP's (from my personal experience), is to uninstall the beta ( :huh: ) , then re-dload the full installer from Carenado and install that instead of applying an SP.

 

Oh, and the NG thing during start up is still there.

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2. I'd like to see the sounds improved during the transition from spool-up to full engine start. Currently the process is much to fast and abrupt and is not realistic enough.

 

 

Just about all the Tprops from everyone suffers this same fate. I've been associated with sound recording in my past, and sound is a side interest of mine with FSX. I've made sound sets before, and I'm still in the process of understanding what FSX is doing with sound. I can say that the sound system in FSX is really, really good, even by todays standards. From what I've seen, Devs haven't even scratched the surface of what FSX can do with sounds.

 

The problem with start up is, FSX will move to the next sound once combustion starts... so somehow, a delay needs to be induced between comstart and combustion, so that the comstart file will play it's length. Carenados start up section is one of the best I've ever seen by a dev (outside of sound only devs). Usually, the "starter" section is too short. A good example is, if you forget to turn on the fuel. When you hit the starter in a Tprop, you shouldn't hear the starter "start over".. it should keep cranking until you either turn on the fuel, or release the starter (noncombustion in FSX system-ees). Carenado didn't do a noncombustion section for the TBM, but can be added with the "shutdown" sound with something like FS sound Studio.

 

Ok, I'm rambbling.. sorry! In a nutshell, it's a little complex, but I can understand it from their point of view... The plane itself is complex enough without the headache of the sound.

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My CAS still shows it when in use, and my AUX pump annunciations are working correctly as well. Maybe you had a bad install? A quick tip to all is; If you bought it from Carenado Direct, the best way to apply SP's (from my personal experience), is to uninstall the beta ( :huh: ) , then re-dload the full installer from Carenado and install that instead of applying an SP.

 

Oh, and the NG thing during start up is still there.

Noted!  Thanks for the tip.  I'll report back after another go at it.  Glad to see that Carenado is still working on the bird.  Out of the aircraft I've flown in the real world, the TBM is by far the most fun.  She is a real pilot's airplane.

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Ok, I'm rambbling.. sorry! In a nutshell, it's a little complex, but I can understand it from their point of view... The plane itself is complex enough without the headache of the sound.

Yea, but the sound is a hugely important aspect of any simulation, especially when there is no physical feedback involved such as with FSX...I wish devs would give it more serious consideration. There is a JET I remember that did the startup better than anything I ever heard before...think it may have been the Phenom from Feelthere...it was awesome compared to any other sequence. I'm curious about the J41 and if that startup sequence is simulated well or not as far as the sounds.

 

 

...anyway...some sound guru must be able to figure it out (hint to Hawk :rolleyes: )

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All in all, Carenado is looking in the right direction, and I believe with a little more work and attention to detail, another patch or two could make this airplane a really good addition to the fleet.

 

I hope you report the issues to Carenado so they can fix them in SP2  B)

 

Looks like there are some big improvements with this update. For me, the cruise speed was the biggest issue that prevented me from buying it..But it's obviously nice if all the systems work as close to the real ones as possible within the constraints of the sim.

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...anyway...some sound guru must be able to figure it out (hint to Hawk )

 

LOL!  I wish I was! I'd have uploaded a fix on the first night!

 

In fact, as I write this, I have been pouring over XML code, liveries, and sound files...  Let me tell you all... this one is a whopper!

 

The sound thing with start up is driving me nuts. When you turn off the starter (with fuel off), it just stops. There should be a kind of wind down effect like non_combustion. They

define a "false" start in the combustion section, but have no clue what triggers that with a TProp.

 

I'll keep at it.

 

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Green indicator LEDs for the other light switches: This one is not as easy as I thought it would be... It's buried in XML code... AKA, I Don't Know This Sh%T code. Maybe one of you

XML'ers can find that. This is also the place where the pesky pump and igniter switches are buried as well.

 

The "500" feet guy sound is in the fsx/sound/carenado/CarSoundTBM850 folder.  To me it sounds like he was in the sewer when they recorded that one, so I stole one from another

plane... A really fast corporate one. :ph34r:    The "Traffic!" guy wont shut up until the nearby aircraft has crossed the face of the planet... but the plane cost 3+ mil, so I understand.

 

The good thing is... This one isn't too far off.  I understand that those of you who know some of this stuff may sit on the sidelines.. they aint paying you to fix their stuff.

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Here is an update from a real world (systems related) prospective on SP1.

 

I simply did a quick run around the patch to test out the systems and I can only assume that the TAS issue has been addressed from the look at most posts. First off, the Ignition AUTO issue seems to have been fixed. The appropriate annunciations are showing for the relative switch positions. The inertial separator now seems to be affect the torque as it should but has no affect on ITT. When the INERT SEP switch is in the up (ON) position, one should be observe a decrease in torque and an increase in ITT. The opposite should take place in the down (OFF) position. They have now also completely omitted any INERT SEP annunciation, I'm not sure how that happened, but hopefully they can fix that issue with the next patch.

 

The AUX BOOST PUMP is still working incorrectly and showing the wrong annunciation in the AUTO position. And last but not least, the pulsing landing lights are now working, however the landing light switches have to be in the ON position which is incorrect, and when the lights are pulsing, the green annunciations on the landing light switches should also pulse in conjunction with the actual landing lights.

-Seth-

I think I may have some CAS issues still. I did a fresh install yesterday after SP1. I do not have any CAS ignition msgs. What is the ignition CAS supposed to do? - and the "Boost Pump On" msg does not go off or change when I switch the pump to auto......

 

I also have seem to lose all "Inert Sep" CAS warnings...

 

Is anyone else seeing this? Its strange because I didn't just install the patch, I completely reinstalled the aircraft......

 

Rich

 

Also, Is it possible to do an overlay mod of the landing lights as was done on the B200? The taxi light looks so much better......

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